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by furrytoes
8 months ago in Design Dilemma
Can anyone comment on a retrofit light installation under upper cabinets?
I'm intrigued by this photo. It appears that the under cabinet lights are "shielded" from view by an inset wooden piece that's just a couple of inches tall. I've been trying to figure out how to install counter lights in my kitchen that won't look like an after-thought add-on.
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feeny We didn't retrofit, but we put in very slim undercabinet puck lights. Our cabinetmaker then put a thin piece of wood, painted the color of the cabinets, beneath the bottom of the cabinets, with holes where the lights were positioned, in order to hide the wiring. So they look built in (and are, I guess).
8 months ago ·
furrytoes Hi feeny, thanks for the reply. Could you take a picture of your lights? It sounds like a really good solution for my dilemma.
8 months ago ·
feeny I'm the world's worst photographer, but I'll give it a try with my iphone and see what I get.
8 months ago ·
bprince300 Feeny's solution sounds like a nice clean finish, especially with your sleek cabinet style. It sounds like you could use the same method for linear lights vs. spots if preferred. Or if you have the clearance below the cabinet, a linear 'string' light or mini-flourescent strips mounted just behind a small straight molding at the base of the cabinet, finished same as your cabinets. In this case you would have to drill through the cabs to run the main wiring connection, but they make strips that plug into one another to acheive the length you need, while making just one primary connection. You could easily get the look in your photo.
8 months ago ·
BeautifulRemodel.com Hi furrytoes, what you're referring to in this photo is called a lighting valance, and they can be installed at the back of the cabinets as shown here, or at the front where they can also double as decorative molding below the doors. Are you cabinets installed already? If so, is your back-splash also installed?

When we retrofit under-cabinet lighting on our projects, we usually have to fish the wiring down from above and/or in between the wall studs. If its the latter option then this can be accomplished by removing small sections of drywall which are then patched once the wiring is complete. (Easy if you don't have a completed full height back splash)

I prefer low voltage LED ribbon lighting to the other options as its extremely small (1/8" thick x 3/8") and can be installed without spaces, so the lighting is very consistent. The wiring is also small enough (22/2) to fish more easily than 14/2. Imo, the lighting is attractive enough where it doesnt require a lighting valance, but one could be added if you prefer.




Steve
8 months ago ·
furrytoes Hi Steve, thanks for the help. Wish you were closer than Arizona! The cabinets and full height tile backsplash have been in for 20 years, and unfortunately I don't have the funds to replace either. However, I'm tired of Dark Shadows over my countertop, so I was trying to figure out a way to install lights without it looking goofy.
I am considering LED ribbon lighting, but don't know if it will glare into my eyes since I'm short.
And thanks for the education on lighting lingo re. "lighting valance." There are few things worse than trying to explain to store salespeople what it is I'm looking for, and having them look at me like I'm a cuckoo person.
8 months ago · ·
BeautifulRemodel.com You're very welcome, and thanks!

Ok now I know a little more about your situation, you can use the rear lighting valance to your benefit, as it can be used to also mask the low voltage wiring that supplies the LED. A good electrician or GC can plan the cable path for you, but if you're planning on doing this yourself, you'll need to create a switched outlet for the transformer, and run the low voltage wiring from there to the cabinets. You'll want to do the "drops" at the ends of the cabinet runs, which on a typically kitchen plan that is broken up by doorways, windows, sinks etc means you'll be installing several.

The easiest way to do this is usually by "spidering" the drops down from the ceiling above, but because the wiring is low voltage (once its passed through the transformer) then you could instead run this behind the valance, or behind the cabinetry face frame etc if you need to. (Running these wiring paths can be tricky which is why an electrician or GC with experience can be a huge help).

Steve
8 months ago ·
feeny Hi furrytoes,
It sounds like you are in good hands with Steve. But I promised photos, so I'm sending them. One (slightly blurry) is an up close shot of a puck light with under cabinet cover, one is of two of them from a distance in context. I used these under the regular height upper cabinets as well, but those don't photograph as easily. We chose puck lights to echo the circles of the can lights on the ceiling, especially since these two shown are so visible.
8 months ago · ·
BeautifulRemodel.com Beautiful kitchen Feeny! :)
8 months ago · ·
feeny Thanks so much, Steve. I sketched out all the designs and plans (though hubby had veto power) and really learned from my mistakes as I went along.
8 months ago · ·
furrytoes I agree, beautiful kitchen Feeny! And a very clever light installation. Both of you have given me much to think about. Many thanks to you both. Steve, can you recommend a light transformer that doesn't buzzzzz? I enjoy quiet spaces, and the transformers (and ballasts) I have annoy me so much that I avoid using them (e.g., my lovely backyard lights drive me crazy with the buzzzzz).
8 months ago ·
BeautifulRemodel.com Im on-site right now but will send you some info later or tomorrow about what we use.
Steve
8 months ago ·
PoshHaus Wow, very nice!
8 months ago ·
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