Need help for my kitchen!
The strange shape of my floor plan didn't help me. As result my tringle is not right. So my kitchen don't work well for me.
I am open for suggestions of what can i do to fix my kitchen.
I am open for suggestions of what can i do to fix my kitchen.
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Replace the open shelving with a microwave and toaster shelf about 30" above counter height & add a marble counter over a new drawer base. This should solve the problem.
If so you could change to a classic galley configuration and move the fridge and some of the cabinets to make way for an eating area--maybe even a built-in banquette. with views out onto the patio. I might add a little color to the walls too to bring out the nice cabinetry.
Oh, looks like there is a doorway there. Only room for a bistro set or little pub table perhaps.
Another option is to add a small prep sink near the stove on the left, perhaps by creating a false drawer and blocking part of the cabinet underneath, and leave the other sink for washing dishes and such.
Something like a little kitchen cart might come in handy too to make it work better for you.
1) how important is the in-kitchen table? Do you have an adjacent space for eating?
2) how possible/expensive would it be to move the plumbing?
3) what's the area enclosed by glass to the right of the sink and how important is it to keep that?
4) where does the door to the left of the sink go?
If doors and glass panels are immovable objects, then moving the sink etc to the wall where the table is makes the most sense, especially if you can eat elsewhere. While it's nice to have an eat-in kitchen, it's more important to have a functional one.
If you can remove the door and/or change the panels, that brings up a whole set of additional questions/suggestions, but you're talking scope creep here!
1) I attach my floor plan so you understand better.
2) Odd glass panels is my kitchen door. Is an old apartment which i am trying to remodel.
3)Next to the sink is a small door which lead to a small pastry and to patio.(this door didn't let my to have a "L" kitchen.
4)flowered curtain open to the outside.
5)On the right of the table is a radiator ,if i am using the right word is for heeting.So i don't know about the Frig there.
6)For water i will ask my plamer.
7)
Will this work???
I've always dreamed of having a kitchen with two sinks, one for washing pots and the other for food prep. I would consider keeping both the new sink and the old IF the counter over the radiator (perhaps bumped out a bit or curved) is big enough for family meals and if you have a dining table in the dining/living room. Alternatively, you could put a small dinette there.
Less expansive and usefull i think. You can install full height storage instead of the actual Sink.
Home thaïs simple sketch can help you seeing what it could be.
You say this is an apartment. I hope you plan on staying a long time to put this much money into plumbing changes and whatnot. It cost me 100 Euro just to unclog the sewage line!.
Of course the traditional version of a counter is a table, which is a good height for many tasks. Try pushing it out in the middle of the room with the chairs on one side and see how it works for work flow.
As I see it based on various guidelines, you need at least 4 meters in width to the room to accomodate an island: It looks like it might be less than that, especially near the door, and you need to allow adaquate door swing for the French doors as well.
If you go with an island, I would also consider offsetting the sink from the stove so there aren't conflicts when two cooks are working.
RULES: http://starcraftcustombuilders.com/kitchen.design.rules.htm
The width of a work aisle should be at least 42” (107 cm)for one cook and at least 48” (122 cm) for multiple cooks. Measure between the counter frontage, tall cabinets and/or appliances--allow adaquate room to open oven and opposite cupboards.
Guideline: The width of a walkway should be at least 36”. (91 cm)
If traffic passes behind the seated diner, allow at least 44” to walk past. (112 cm)
Guideline: Kitchen seating should be a minimum of 24" wide for each person but 28-30" is better. (61-76 cm)
For 30" high tables/counters, a minimum 18" deep clear knee space for each seated diner
For 36" high counters, a minimum 15" deep clear knee space for each seated diner.
For 42" high counters, a minimum 12"deep clear knee space for each seated diner. .
Code Requirements: No national code requirements (30.5 cm-47cm)
Kitchen seating areas should be 28” – 34” high x 30” – 36” wide x 19” deep to better accommodate people of various sizes or those using a mobility aid. (71-86 cm high x 30.5 -91 cm wide by 50 cm deep) + plus depth of sink (50 + cm)
So to do what you want, you need an island at least 1 meter or more wide, another 1.22 m for workspace by stove, about .65 meters for the counter for the stove, plus1.12 m for the walkway to the door. So that totals to just shy of a room 4 meters wide for minimum clearance, and that is if all the chairs are pushed in and there isn't anything hanging on the wall in the way and whatnot.
I bet you could go to IKEA or a similar store and get a couple of designs drawn up for not much money, In the states, there are online kitchen design programs to help.
You have a lovely kitchen, but the floors could use some work - don't like the tone with your marble countertop. Good luck with your project!
I assume you want to match your nice existing cabinetry, so once you play around with this and cut out newpapers and try different things out in the kitchen and figure out what you want, you can go to them and get them to finalize the design and spec it out.
I know things tend to be more closed off in Europe than they are in the US for energy efficiency and whatnot, but would it be possible to just simply remove/relocate the windows and doors to the entry and open up that space? That little jog is really messing up your floorplan. Perhaps it would be possible, although yes, at some expense, to move the window and door panels to square it off, or go on a diagonal, or even move the whole wall out to steal space from the front entry, which looks to be quite large.
And that tiny patio access through the pantry seems very odd--can you get to it from the front entry as well? Is the pantry for the washer and the patio is to dry your laundry?
Anyway, if you are moving plumbing and whatnot, I don't think it would be that much more to move the existing door and window wall to the entry to maximize traffic flow, and would be well worth the extra money to give you a more workable space. Also helps create a nice little "parking area for the stroller :) Option One could possibly have a small penninsula by the doorway instead ot the cabinets.
I tried an option with an island, but it would be a lot more expensive and not much more function. It could be done with the Option One layout to give you a bit more elbow room and space for a penninsula, especially if doors were set square with living room.
The only thing I can think of off-hand is to make the bigger kitchen door a wall (keep the transom perhaps) and putting a L-shaped counter there with the sink moved to where the door is now. That would be quite expensive probably, but would be a somewhat better work triangle for you, and would add a nice bit of counter next to the sink and will still get some nice window light.
Or two, making that part a seating area, as suggested above in Option One, but with less counter and cabinet space by the sink. Or by angling the souble doors, so you enter pointing roughly toward the stove, which will make it less awkward for both the new sink and seating areas.
I haven't used the kitchen planner, but I'm surprised you can't use it for angled walls. I've seen so many odd angles in Europe, I would think it is pretty common. You could just download standard cabinet dimentions from your supplier or IKEA and use that unless you plan on doing it custom. Worth a try.
May be worth going to the store where you plan on buying the new cabinets and let them help you with this after you come up with some possibilities.
I think Options 2 and 3 have potential with some work, but what about the door to the pantry? Is there a reason why you can't put a cabinet in front of the bump out on the long wall? Is that where the radiator is?
I like your cabinetry and think you should use as much of it as possible, but you are probably going to need a piece or two to fill in with a new arrangement, especially in the corners. The cabinet color looks fine to me with the floors. Changing it to white probably not worth the trouble and paint won't wear as well as the factory finish. Perhaps a stronger color on the wall would make the cabinets look whiter, and would be a whole lot easier to do than painting the cabinets. .
I see you are moving around doors and windows and plumbing, so it is definately time to consult a professional to figure out the best option for you. It is going to get costly. Better to pay now than to make a big costly mistake later.
Here are some modifications of Options 3 and 4 with the work triangle indicated. I think the variation on Option 3 works best, but it does close off access to the terrace a bit and would be more expensive, but it has the potential to create two nice work zones--one with a table or work counter for baking and whatnot and the other the main cooking and washing up area.. Option 4 is a modification of what you have already, but moving things around a bit and I'm not sure it is much of an improvement on what you have now.
I think the stove and sink are too cramped together in Option 1, and there is the ventilation issue with Option 1 above. Also makes the kitchen much smaller. This does have the advantage of not moving any doors though.
Are you open to getting rid of the table or putting in an eating pennisula since you have a formal dining room?