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Jen Lynn For me personally, the only problem with the room is the off center chandelier. Is it possible to center the table under it, or it center it above the table?

Ironwood Builders Your light fixture is a few things....first, the junction box it hangs from is off center to the table in two directions!, second, though I like the fixture, it is a bit too small and hung a little too high for a dining room. So cheap solution first. Rewire the fixture and add chain to get it long enough to swag over from the existing box and drop down to a more intimate height. YURG! Second solution, use the existing box as the cardinal point of a grid of four fixtures over the table....no strong center fixture, no chandelier, just monopoint halogen pendants. Third, install a wire from the existing junction box to a new junction box centered on the table, install the light fixture to a lower, more intimate height, cover the original junction box with a blank cover plate painted to match the ceiling. Fourth, try to stretch the wire from the existing junction box to the shortest distance to center on the table, install a new junction box and delete the old box, fix the drywall and repaint the ceiling. Use a pendant bar fixture with at least three pendants and a tray style canopy. Hope this helps! Best of luck!

hollister thank you, great suggestions! The table is in the right place and the light fixture is in the wrong place. I would like to install a centered fixture and maybe would like two or three large pendants. I never thought of using the existing box as the cardinal point of a grid of four. I would be concerned that they would hit people in the head since my table is so long and narrow, it is only 29 inches wide.

Susan Sparke Have you thought of maybe using one of the brighter lights that go over a pool table? Or maybe something a bit more modern like the new Edison lights.

hollister I like these light fixtures, the mercury glass from west elm is probably too small unless I use more of them, they are about 9 inches diameter, and the clear pottery barn rustic glass pendant is maybe to tall and large. I haven't found a "pool table" style light fixture that gives me the vintage/modern/farmhouse feel that I like. I also have a very loooong table- it is about 9 feet long and narrow.

putter2 The artwork needs to come down to the height of the cupboard, not hang above it. Flanking chairs do look busy to me......and, obviously center the light fixture over the table and the hutch, and drop it some. Or look for a slightly larger, rustic wrought iron one with shades, but still lower it. Electrified scones to match the light fixture could be hung on either side of the hung pictures once they're lowered, to add even more light.

Darzy I don't think the chandelier is in the wrong spot. I think it's the table. The big china hutch is taking up too much space. I'd remove the hutch (or put on a different wall) and put the table center under the chandelier. Wonderful art where the china hutch "was" instead would add some style/pizazz too. This chandy would look nice above your table...

hollister I do like the chandelier and it is funny now that you say my table is wrong, I think you have a good point! In fact, i just moved my table and retook pics, I have to pretend that I moved the hutch because that will take a little more "umph" than I have at the moment. I think it is better for part of the problem, the light box is now centered on the width of the table but can't be centered on the length without the table being in the hallway. Do you think the hutch could go on the wall by the door at the end of the table?

hollister oh, I also moved out the chairs that were too crowed on the back wall. Wondering about wall colors too, if no hutch on the back wall, it is a big white wall.

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Something long and rectangle like this

Darzy Yes, I think the hutch can go on the wall where the mirror is. For the "new" blank wall, try putting all four art pieces now flanking the hutch in a horizontal row, eye level about three inches apart. It may fit the length of the table just right. For $50 bucks or so, have an electrician move the electrical over so it is centered with the table. It shouldn't be too difficult if you have attic access. Like this arrangement for your four art pieces..

mveasey I would try to move the hutch to the mirror wall first and see how you feel. If it looks good, you could add some light inside the hutch to display your treasures and for ambiance.
If all fails, i would highlight the long effect of the table and hang all four pictures in a line. Place all your beautiful candlesticks on a runner on the table. If the hutch would get omitted, you could do a rug, if that is of interest. At the moment your table and chairs legs look a little scared, huddled together with cold feet.
I would try to lower your chandelier, if you cannot centre it, perhaps get a second one for the other end?i'm not sure how you could wire that, but your table is long enough to entertain two and it would solve your lack of light. Best of luck!

mveasey Hello Darzy, sorry I didn't mean to post your ideas, great minds think alike!But I was delayed hitting the submit button, due to little munchkins having trouble sleeping!

timberskunk 1) move light over table, 2) how about dressing up the chairs a little, they have cool chair covers to fancy it up a little. 3) paint the room!!!! don't be afraid of color look at other dining rooms on the web in magazines and pick one you like and go for it. If you don't like it you can always paint it bland , dull white again. Good luck

Darzy mveasey..no worries. I do like your ideas. :)

LB Interiors Suggestions sound great from everyone. I think I would put the 2 chairs next to the china hutch at the heads of the table at each end. Mix and match works well. More interest in the dining set.

hollister I've been working on all of your suggestions, thank you all so much, I thought I would show you the "new" version of my room. Here's what I have done:

1. move hutch to other wall - check
2. move table centered under light as much as possible - check
3. arrange artwork in a line (they are centered on room, should be centered on table?) - check
4. add runner and candlesticks -- check
5. add rug - tried but nothing I currently have will fit- 8x11 is too wide - so i just put one on the tile in front of the table for now
6. move mismatched chairs to end of table (is 10 chairs too many?) - check

Ok, so what do you think? Did I forget anything? I included the same two views of the table in its new surroundings and added two views of the kitchen so you can see the whole room, I thought it might spark some more discussion. I think I need an island and a backsplash and some color.

Can't wait to hear more, thank you for taking another look.

Darzy Wow, that looks great. Except..the art should be lined up with the table (the far left print edge lined up with the left edge of the dining tab...or close to it). Then, the far right print edge on the right edge of the table). Basically, center the row with the table.

Darzy PS..In your space, I don't think you need an area rug under the table. So, I'd center the rug with your kitchen area instead. Lookin good!

mveasey Wow, what a transformation! Well done! The wonderful result of collaborative effort...so nice to see. Thanks for posting the photos.

concordhome This seems much better. I agree that the pictures need to be positioned on the wall to match the table. I like the two darker chairs on the ends but feel like you have too many chairs on each side. Try using only three on each side. Maybe you have some place to put the extra two chairs unless you actually need them. Maybe you can get a longer chain for the light fixture and swag it to the center of your table - dropping it a little lower. I'm interested in what you end up with so please continue to post your progress. Everything is so neat and tidy. This can be a lovely room.

hollister Thanks guys, I think it is better now too. What do you think of the kitchen area in relation to the dining, is there anymore that can be improved?

OK, I will move the art-the holes were already there because that is how the art was before the hutch came. One step at a time is always best.

Darzy, I have a question about the centering in my kitchen area. The table now is not centered in the kitchen area, it is now out of center. It was centered in the before pics. So, now if I want an island or a rug centered in the kitchen, do I ignore the relation to the table and center in the kitchen space. Basically, it seems something has to be off but maybe that is ok. Would you put a rug under an island?

Mveasey - did you notice the light in the hutch "after" picture? I forgot it was there, so I plugged it in before putting up against the wall and Voila! Thank you.

LBinteriors - I think the mismatch dining set is working, do you think the chairs are too crowded, or is it ok? i also might paint the chairs, maybe greenish something for a little contrast.

Also, still need to figure out light fixture, almost think now, if canopy was rectangular, i won't need to move box if I find a linear style chandelier.

Darzy As far as "centering" goes, I would treat each space individually. It's okay if the dining table is off center with your future island. I'd only keep an area rug under an island if it was on wheels to move around to vacuum. Even if you get a linear chandelier, it looks like you'll need to move the electrical over on the ceiling. Is it possible to move the table right 6" to have the chandy centered? Hope so. Also, I don't think you should paint the dining chairs. They look good with the table. I agree to pull out two chairs from the sides (keep the head chairs...they complement the hutch). Great job! You have a lovely home.

Darzy ps...will the kitchen rug take up too much space if you rotate it and "keep it in the kitchen"?

hollister Darzy, thank you, I put table where it is because it lines up with the tiles on the floor, do they matter?

Thanks for suggesting that the two areas can be treated separately.

I repositioned table and rug. I need to fix artwork, do you think three is better than four. I am looking at three pictures- minus the left one but they are not centered on the table now so either way I need to rehang and I can't decide.

What do you think about paint? I don't love the big soffits above the cabinets but can't change them, do you think color will make them look their best?

I think everyone agrees too many chairs, I just pulled two away.

If all lighting and faucets are oil rubbed bronze, should I keep the new lighting the same? I keep finding light fixtures with steel or nickel and don't know if I need to keep avoiding them.

Darzy I like the look of the four prints on the wall in your space. I also like your wall color as is. It works nicely with the cabinets and your dining chairs. Don't worry about the soffit. Like L said, just don't put any decor up there. BTW..unless you need the extra workspace, I wouldn't get an island. I like the openness and with your dining space there, it's open, yet cozy with the rug there.

Jennifer Hogan Just wanted to share an article that addresses your fear that painting a color would make the room look smaller. I had a room that got very little sunlight and had it painted white. It is now painted deep burgundy and a purple taupe with white trim. Feels so much better than the white that always looked dirty and gray. You don't have to paint, but don't be afraid to try a saturated color in a dark room.

http://www.devinecolorblog.com/2010/04/color-advice-101-choosing-color-for-a-dark-room.html

LB Interiors An "island" center in the kithcen? Looks like you have room for one. The placement can come forward to the end side of the kitchen cabinets before it becomes the dining room.

China hutch cabinet needs to be centered on the wall, not centered with the table.

LB Interiors I would lower artwork, the four pieces are too high. Center line of artwork works better if it is about 62"- 65" from the floor.

LB Interiors I think an island is more practical than a carpet in the kitchen without anything on it except spilled food.

LB Interiors Another thought, if you choose to have an island, place 2-3 barstools on the side facing the dining room. Great for kids' homework while mom's cooking and breakfast in a rush. The island may come with an extended ledge for this purpose or can install one on the back side. Can be slightly lower than original island top and can be made from a different material.

hollister I just moved the hutch to center on the wall, this picture shows it still centered on the table. LB Interiors, thanks for all your suggestions, i do think an "island" will be nice, even if it is small. The picture below shows how large the space is in comparison to the rug which is now set the other way - the rug is 5x8. So the space is probably about 9x9 from cabinet to cabinet.

Jennifer thanks for link to the color blog, I do think that I need a color on the wall that will not darken the room but not look blah - The current color is Behr Swiss Coffee, pretty much builder white, I think. I like white walls when there is enough light but this room is very dark unless the lights are on so maybe a more saturated color would be better. But one that is reflective? Does anyone know if there is such a term for paint? It would be nice to choose a paint that you knew was made to brighten a space up.

The artwork is currently hung 62 inches on center, do you think it looks high because the pictures are small? Or that the light is higher than it should be? I still need to figure out a light fixture and I guess it will hang right in front of the pictures, is that ok?

AMN The light is higher than it should be. Otherwise, things are looking great so far! You've made some great moves/changes.

What kind of light bulbs are in the chandelier? Are they compact fluorescents?

Chris This looks so much better!

Check out Rejuvenation Lighting for a number of pool hall style linear chandeliers, like this one:
http://www.rejuvenation.com/catalog/products/scholls-ferry
They will make the fixture the height you need, with lots of options for metal finishes and shades. And they're lovely folks to deal with!

hollister yes, CFL's are very harsh light, maybe I should try changing bulbs out. Husband says we can change light fixture so that is the plan, but i still don't know the style that will click. Something longer on the table, and bigger, and more farm style.

Thank you for the compliments. My family likes it better and I really do too.

it is amazing what can be done with furniture positioning!

So many great suggestions today, I would have never been able to do this! You all are very talented and I very much appreciate all of this help!

I am still not 100% satisfied. I think I am craving some color in here. I want it to look more like a HOUZZ room...

eagledzines This would look good over your table and centered in both directions.
http://www.houzz.com/ideabooks/query/hanging-chandelier
You could also put mirrors in the hutch doors instead of glass. That would also help to reflect the light or you could put lights inside the hutch that shone down from the top. Place them toward the front so they don't glare in the eyes--so you can't actually see the fixture behind the wood. You could also put artwork lights above the pictures.

ccwatters Wow what a great transformation. Great advice from everyone and hats off to you for all that ambition in one day!
I would also consider a backsplash in the kitchen, and definitely add some color to your DR walls so they have some contrast with the ceiling. You could also add beadboard or wainscot on bottom of wall, then put your color up above...creating a prettier backdrop for your artwork and chandelier.

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pluckygirl Love the transformation. Great job. It is inspiring and fun to see the before and after pictures.
Hope you find your perfect light fixture and post more photos! The room is really lovely.

Darzy OMG..it looks great! Thanks for trying the rug the other way. Hmmm...it doesn't look right tho, does it? Is the table positioned there going to work? It looks like you don't have to move the electrical on the ceiling. ccwaters nantucket chandy looks nice. If you want to have a "magazine" kitchen, I think an updated window treatment...roman shade..above your sink would be nice.

Darzy Hey fellow Houzzers...Ms Hollister would like a color on the walls...what do you think about BM Harbor Gray to consider?

LB Interiors Hollister, yes I really think you need an island. The kitchen space looks too barren without it. You do have the space for one and I assume you don't have a breakfast area to use that way. A small island will work fine. It's such an added feature. I think you'd enjoy the convenience of eating somewhere other than the dining room. What a great job and you're fast in re-arranging. Hooray.

Metallic paint is a great option for wall paint in a dark room. It will catch light from other areas. Your walls need to be smooth or evenly textured or the paint will show all the imperfections of bumps and lumps.

What colors are in the adjoining spaces near the dining and kitchen? Do you like specific colors.

The artwork at the dining still looks a little off - I think you need larger pieces since there is nothing below them to help in the correct balance of the wall.

Darzy I think I might have to disagree with stools with an island here. The table is so close and I think it may look too busy with so many seats available. The space is not that big. An island for workspace, yes.

putter2 The light fixture still looks way too high.....and I think one with French look - lowered - would finish your space. But it's going to have to be centered over the table. The hutch looks good on the end wall. Don't think you need a rug under the table, just make sure the chairs move easily and quietly.....

jansgirl What a difference!! It's looking great!

LB Interiors Another idea about art. Purchase a rectangle or larger oval MIRROR other than the one you had. Position it vertically in center of the space. Flank on both sides of the mirror each set of two artworks, one over the other, vertically. You will get more light reflected, metallic paint on the walls, and be able to still use your art pieces.

LB Interiors Hollister, can you take another photo? Viewpoint of the kitchen on the left and dining on the right facing that open doorway. I think you have room for a small island. The carpet is in the wrong place and is making it confusing. You seem to have it in a pathway? It's too small for the dining set. Maybe use it at a sofa area.

hollister Thanks everyone, here is another photo, this shows the space between the "kitchen" and "dining"- in the second set of photos above, the rug was turned 90 degrees from where it is now. That is why is was so confusing to look at the pics and figure out the space. I can move out the rug. i don't have one that would fit under the table properly - mine are 8x11 which are just too wide to look right. Our mini doxie in photo too!

LB Interiors Thanks for the new photo. Actually the 8" x 11' might work under the dining table. What is the length and width of the table? What are the dimensions of the dining space up to the right side of doorway. I think you have space for the island & barstools. Chairs of dining and barstools will not look wrong. They are in two different spaces and used for two different functions.

Crystal Shepherd I LOVE the beadboard idea,that would look so great in that space. I would definitely add a backsplash and get a small island and add a little bit of color. It will give your room depth. I personally think that a backsplash makes a kitchen into a kitchen instead of "a room with cabinets". I like what you've done so far and your adorable doxie!

mveasey Yes, I noticed the light! The reason why this setup works, is because your hutch now looks as though it is an extension of your kitchen cabinets. I agree with Darzy on the work height island, no extra seating and the roman shade in the kitchen. I like the rug in the kitchen, it separates the space into two zones. About your light fixture, would you get a different one? How about a rectangular one? Glad your family likes the change too, not sure if your pooch approves yet! :-) and yes, amazing how quickly you got things changed around, hope you have a restful weekend!

hollister The dimensions from the wall to the door is only 7 feet. The 8 foot wide rug would encroach on the door and look wrong - the length is ok. It would also not have the table centered side to side-here we go talking about centering again, this can get very tiring.

Is it ok to do beadboard on just one wall? Or do we have to do both dining walls? Can it stop before turning the corner down the hallway? I have thought about beadboard for the backslash, what do you think about that idea?

LB Interiors Here are examples of island with barstools near a separate dining room. But choose a different barstool design than the dining chairs. Maybe this can help for a yay or nay.

ccwatters You would want to wrap every wall that is part of the DR in the beadboard / wainscot to define that space....plus it will be beautiful.
I wanted to do a beadboard backsplash in the kitchen at our cottage and researched it quite a bit. There are actual porcelain tiles made to look like beadboard that are both beautiful and functional, behind the stove would be an area where you want real tile for easy cleanup. Your stove, however, appears to have its own backsplash, so no need for real tile. If you do go with beadboard for a backsplash, it will definitely give a certain country feel to it. To keep it a more 'current' country/farmhouse feel, I would look for a chandelier for dining, and pendant(s) for kitchen island that have some straight lines to them to balance the look. The example that mveasy gave you in the top left corner (by Sandy Chapman) would be gorgeous in the dining room with beadboard or wainscot.
Another option could be for you to do a wainscot in the dining room (the "Restyled Home" photo I attached above has always been a favorite of mine), and a simple subway or other 'simple' tile for your kitchen....again with the same style straight line chandelier.
As far as an island goes, I think it would look great and be super functional....as long as you have about 40" of walking space around it between island and perimeter cabs (they say minimum of 36", but I personally prefer a little more)

aniluap2 Just a tip,the bottom of the hanging fixture should be 36" above the table top and pictures hung at eye level and on both counts people tend to hang them too high. The transformation is amazing ...just goes to show how much furniture arrangement can impact style. I personally don't like rugs in a kitchen and would prefer an island without chairs. Darzy's always has terrific advice, I've been following her comments and I think she has a great spatial sense. Very much my aesthetic.

Darzy @ aniluap2..Thank you! We do think a lot alike.

LB Interiors Thanks for your kindness. You'll do fine if you go with your heart and make decisions based on what you prefer and who you are!

hollister You all are great and have given me so much help.

My "free" changes are now done, next step is to work on finding the light - love some of the suggestions you guys have already shown, I think adding the paneling to the lower wall and color on the upper wall might be just the answer too. Sparkly paint sounds interesting too, I think one of you guys mentioned it. I might have to wait to do the paneling I though because I think it will need to wrap it into the hallway which is carpet that I want to change to wood and should probably wait until that project etc.

I also plan on trying to rework an old library table with some fun paint, casters and a new top to see if it will work as a small island, the size seems to be good but I need to add three inches or so to the height - we'll see if I can do it.

Before buying "the" light, I might post it for all of your approval if that is ok. I will also post the island if it seems worthwhile once i get started on that project.

I do also like the suggestion of a roman shade and might have to start searching for something there. And of course, the backsplash too, subway tile is preferable to me but beadboard might have to do - less $.

Thanks everyone, and of course, if anyone thinks of anything else, I would love to hear from you.

ccwatters Just one more thought regarding subway tile since you are concerned about price: You can get basic white subway for a mere 23 cents per tile at Home Depot or Lowes. It's very basic tile, no bevels, crackle, etc. I used it in my cottage with gray grout, see below. It's clearly a different style kitchen, but it will give you a good idea of what 23 cents tile looks like up on a backsplash.
Just wanted to let you know...

Good luck on the rest of your changes! It looks great so far!

hollister yes that is so pretty. I love your kitchen, what is your paint color? Do you know how to add a photo to this conversation from my idea book. I just found a great kitchen photo that i would like to share

Darzy Hi hollister...there could be a better way to add a picture, I do this: After you find your picture you want, right click the mouse and click on the picture and click "open in a new window". Then, right click on the URL address and copy. Then, in your comment section, click a "spot" in the section then right click, paste, enter. The picture should come up.

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I loved the colors in this kitchen and the light fixture is great. Do you think this color on the walls would be too dark? I like it with the cherry cabinet color.

ccwatters Not sure if you are wondering about that color for your kitchen or DR, but with the white wainscot or beadoard to break up and brighten the DR wall, many colors could work on the upper wall.
Regardless of the wall, the only way to know for sure if a color will work is to buy a sample and put it on a couple posterboards to place up on different walls, looking at them at different times of the day.

The color you see on my cottage kitchen walls is Ben Moore's Revere Pewter. It is my favorite "go to" neutral.
If you want to try some color, Darzy's suggestion of Harbor Gray might be something to consider in the DR (with beadboard/wainscot). BM Alaskan Husky is also a beautiful soft gray with a hint of blue behind it.

Just be sure to use sample paint and posterboards for any color you are considering, and you won't have to repaint (learned that the hard way years ago ;)

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LB Interiors Hollister, I love that you could move around items that you already owned. That is one of my specialties. I love re-making anything. Good idea re: the library table. Glad to see another hands-on gal.

Re: the beadboard, you absolutely do not have to wrap it into the hallway. the hallway is considered a different space because of the change in direction. The beadboard edges can end there.

Use a small finish molding vertically on the left side of beadboard. Just be sure you include some beadboard on the "sliver" of wall on the left side of hall doorway up to the refrigerator cabinet. If you miss that area, it doesn't finish the flow. That is actually the dining wall also. Same trim on both doorway edges. Panel all the dining walls and doorway walls that are on the same plane as the larger dining walls.

LB Interiors In reviewing your pics again, I don't think you should have a rug under the dining table. Maybe someone already said that. Not enough room to sit all the way under the chairs.