Please help! There's an old kitchen in our "new" house!
This house was built in 1972 and hasn't been touched since. our budget is getting tight. Any suggestions for this kitchen? We think the big cabinets on the end that the seller called a pantry, is a support and has to stay. :-(. No money for new cabinets. We were thinking wood look vinyl planks flooring. I'm into yellow and cobalt blue, but I'm afraid of overwhelming the space. Open floor is about 10' x 10'. What is the current design favorite for kitchen lighting now! Sorry for the bad pix. They were the seller's pictures. I'm torn between trying to drag it into the 21st century and playing up the old fashioned side by somehow going quirky. Thoughts?
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With some or all of these changes along with a new plank floor--your kitchen will look fresh and updated. Good luck and post after photos.
alternatively go with timeless black and white: black and white vinyl floor tiles or cobalt blue vinyl floor, white cabinets and black countertop. then add cobalt blue knobs. take down the doors in the 2 cabinets near the sink and leave them frameless. paint the back cobalt blue. display your glasses and bowls there or something pretty and useful.
If you have room for a kitchen table, get mismatched chairs and paint them all blue. a stunner kitchen not out of a bland cookie cutter.
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If we go with yellow walls, with cobalt accents, what color would you suggest for the countertops? What about the backsplash?
I didn't clarify very well that the pantry backs up to the dining room area. I'm sorry I don't have a picture to show that.
Thank you again!
The other side of the kitchen, backed up to the pantry, is the only eating space. I have a formal, beautiful, dining room suite. I would like to use the table there. The china cabinet wouldn't fit, so it would have to go into the adjacent living room area, which has plenty of room.
At this time the whole house is empty.
I'm adding a couple of screen shots of the back of the pantry. Not the best of pictures, but hopefully, will help you visualize.
My husband is very opposed to replacing the cabinets and eliminating the top of the pantry. I would like to gain more openness and countertop, but am also reluctant to lose the pantry.
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Will you be replacing the countertop? Please post pictures of your new updated kitchen.
Well, I would not like to advise unless I was standing in your home. How about pricking a whole in it large enough you can puddy back and peak. I'd look for old house plans or ask a friend/family member to take a peak.
I do want to reiterate one thing. We all know (women know) a good bra and girdle are the most important part of the wardrobe. But the wrong one and the whole outfit isn't worth it or goes wrong..Keep that in mind...
This is an investment in your property which affects your bank account and portfolio. This isn't a place to go painting old cabinets. Your value on your home affects your neighborhood. Your neighborhood adjusts the county, adjust the states and adjust the USA. This isn't a game. I just want to stress that DIY should be weighed heavily in the kitchen. Fine, install cabinets yourself, paint yourself, do tile yourself but muddying up a diy in your kitchen is serious business. If you haven't done anything like it before....start in another area of your house and get serious family members to help who can and know what they are doing. And anyone advising to do diy in your kitchen...doesn't understand the importance or value of property. yes, it is important to save money...just not in the kitchen.
Or Go to a church and find a handyman who can do something you need that isn't for beginners who will do it on the side to save money. But your kitchen is a place to spend money. Your clothes, your car, your entertainment demands and eating at restaurant does nothing for your portfolio like investing in your kitchen.
On the flip side it is as important to not go over the 20% of the homes value on the remodel for people who will get a professional..it is throwing money away unless there are extreme circumstances - like it's not for a handicap person and you have to add that in the remodel, etc.
But again, do not paint these cabinets. They are old. Save and find a good sale with a decent MSRP on the cabinets and countertop. If you seek you shall find.
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If you decide to replace the countertop, a postformed one is cheaper than a laminated custom made one.
I'm glad to hear about your tile lesson. Maybe after I try a serving tray I will feel more confident and try it on the kitchen. All the decorative tiles I find are Mexican and I'm concerned it will clash with my Blue Willow and Asian style dining room suite. Maybe a tray or a garden table or bench could be your learning project.
I'm still torn on colors. Cobalt vs yellow. The cabinets will be white. The main wall color in the house is light yellow. The bedrooms will be light sea green. Standing in the kitchen, looking to the right will be a short hall past a bathroom and laundry into the den. The den will have blue carpet. Walls light yellow. Looking left is through the light yellow dining room living room to a short hall and into a yellow tile bathroom.
My wish is to use the dark blue, yellow and green together in the kitchen. I'm really excited about the colors. I just can't figure out how to tie it all to the kitchen without losing that Asian accent of my china altogether.
I haven't been able to find decorative tiles except the Mexican. Pretty! But not what I need.
When I try to sleep, I just see colors!!
I hadn't thought about having new cabinet doors made later! Good idea!
We will be replacing the countertop with a laminate. It may not be the latest and greatest, but its hardy and will look fresh. I think the vinyl plank flooring will hold up well for the abuse pets can dish out. We have plenty of trees we could fell and plank, but it'd be a lot of work and take a lot of time.
New white appliances will be delivered as soon as work can get going again on the kitchen. We are going to install a brushed steel sink and a high neck, one-touch faucet.
IThe floor plan is good, and since it's not huge small changes will have a big impact.
Off hand I see the biggest problem as the hood - if there wasn't that dark place in the room you'd see it differently. ai think a backsplash that is much different that the wall color is going to look weird - I'd think that a relatively similar color onall the walls would break it up less and seem larger.
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Anybody wanna see how the bathroom is coming along? :-)
The shower is progressing. That's where a good chunk of money is going. The same flooring will be in the hall and bath. We are converting a half bath to add a shower.
The space for the shower is coming from the den. We are anxiously waiting that so we can go back to the kitchen renovation. At least I have time to continue the cobalt vs yellow war in my head. haha
Half the wall has come down where the entrance to the shower will be. There isn't a lot of room. We can only get a 42"" by 36" shower in through the doors.
In the meantime, there is electrical work going on through the house. The 40 yr old wallpaper has been stripped off the walls throughout. Panelling in the den has been removed.
Whew!!
So... Posted are before and building so far of shower. Also before of den. Dig the cool floor!! Lmao Whole house is empty of furniture.
On the other hand its always easier spending other people's money , yes I agree designers need to make a living and so are the others involved in remodelling houses , but according to this post the person in question is on a tight budget so instead of telling her/him to spend a lot of money because the resale value will be greater why don't we help with do it yourself ideas instead , unless I misunderstood this question from the very beginning then I apologize .
Your comments, as well as other people's are welcome and appreciated. I don't always communicate effectively what I am trying to say. I didn't mean to give offense and apologize most sincerely.
All is well lets proceed :)
There are a variety of places on the web that sell replacement doors. I have a link to one where we bought our laundry room doors (they're here in CA). Unfortunately, the doors aren't painted or hung yet but they do seem well made and look the way I wanted. New paint grade wood doors for our laundry room ended up being about $750 I think. All new cabinets would have easily been $5-8K.
About your kitchen - so the cabinets are solid oak that have been painted white? This is great news!! If your budget allows think about purchasing some trim to add to the doors, you could very easily give those doors a Shaker profile and then paint them which ever colour suits you. There is nothing wrong with laminate countertops and the colour and pattern options are endless these days. For an updated look order your laminate countertops WITHOUT the return at the back. The backsplash will look so much nicer.
I would lose the top of the pantry to gain counter space as your designer suggested. You could extend your countertop into the next room and add a couple of stools.
Regardless of whether you put on new doors in a style that appeals to you or if you add trim to existing doors, I don't see a reason to replace any of the cabinet boxes. As you've said they're solid and that's really what counts IMO.
I wanted to add too that I rather like your layout. I know I don't cook in your kitchen - but it looks very functional to me. One other thought once you've got the surface stuff taken care of is to look at after-market pullouts to make some of the lower cabinets or deeper ones (like your pantry) more easily accessible. Those used to be a specialty item but I'm seeing them at Bed Bath & Beyond, Container Store, etc.
EVERYBODY, A QUESTION: paint inside the cabinets or leave oak?
Re: the interior - I wouldn't paint. IMO it chips and looks cruddy after a while.
What they're calling inset panel is what I think of as shaker. What they're calling 'applied moulding' is what I think you'd get with the picture frame process. I think the applied moulding door looks a little more traditional. The shaker looks a little more transitional. IMO only!
Edited to add - in either case I prefer the drawers left plain w/ no trim. Personally I think the trim on the drawers is what makes it really busy.
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I did the same as you , hung my own tracks . Keep it up :) I know that sometimes its very tiring to do something that we never done before but the results are rewarding . As they say now days, Kudos to you :)
And once your kitchen is all done you will be so proud of everything that you did and continue to do.
Thanks for the suggestions.
The big difference would come from changing the counter splash,
Rustica has my vote for colors.
enjoy the finished picture , add lots of oranges & lemons in a bowl,
Novel idea about the mirrors! It would add to the light coming inthewinow too! Very creative. I like it.
Here is a little kitchen in our in-law suite with the color VCT tiles I installed myself in a vintage pattern. I'm also attaching a pic of a striped floor, but maybe this is where you do the color. Black and white is very modern and classic too! It's your home, do what makes you happy. next buyers will change it to their liking anyway. Thanks for letting me give my 2 cents. Good luck!
Your home is your investment not just your home where you live. The kitchen and bath can increase the value of your home if you follow the rules of how to increase that value. There are rules. I don't make them. I just understand them. Like your DR understands your body. And tells you what is best for it. Just remodeling to just do it cause something needs done and spend money this way is wasting money. There should be a compromise on how to do both...invest in the right way on how its supposed to be done and make it a home.
Jews have been known to be blessed and criticized throughout time for it. Here is the financial training they give their kids. Make $10. $5 goes to bills. $2 to God. $2 to investments and $1 in savings. Your kitchen done properly is an investment. You can spend here $2 fore every ten wisely.
The good things is people who do this and a community that does this - increase their home's value.... Increases home's value. Increasing homes value in a local community and the economy rises. Now we all can look at that and see if there is something we can do more or not - if we care.
But if I went to a DR. (designers on Houzz should be considered Dr's in a sense for your home-not car sales people trying to make money) and my Dr said to get off salt or lose weight. I suppose I'd try to not eat salty things and stay away from chocolate and add an extra day of exercise to my routine. It's my decision after all. But that would be the wisest decision I could make. I wasn't trying to do anything but understand where you were at. But I'd like to be understand that I wasn't saying spend and I'd like to not be considered insistent anymore than a dr telling you to lose weight and you need to. I was trying to hear what was said and anyone thinking otherwise...well was wrong.
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When I was in college my roommate did some SEO work for this company then volunteered for a politician. She'd sit on sites like this and pretend to give helpful advise and be a person out of no where...send you to a link that would get you to maybe buy something or just consider buying it later.
My point. . .I am me. I have my website up for the Granite company I work for. Most, like Dura Supreme is pretty obvious who they are. But others prey on selling knobs, lights, etc. And you just think they were here to help. (not to say anyone in this link did that...but their on people on Houzz sitting here and getting paid an hourly amount to show you a link to something to buy. ANd that is the same for ANY social site. My friend was on a plethora of sites. And she was part of a team of people who who were on a plethora of sites.
It's often, "oh, I think this will help. I saw it here."
Me...here is my site http://tgmcabinetsweebly.com I have been told by others on houzz.com that has a lot of helpful things. If you want take a look.
And next time someone sends a link to help...to another site and they don't say it is their's do consider it could be a house wife helping out or it could be a person paid to do SEO and get you to that site.
You are quite right. This kitchen must please me. The next owners, if there are ever any, will change it to suit themselves. This house is not an "investment" to us. It is to be our last home. We are not selling this house ever. The next owners preferences are not my problem.
I am with you -- the next owners are not your problem. If you're on a budget, replace only the things that drive you crazy first (like that fan!), then live with the kitchen for a while and see if you feel differently about it after you've lived with it for a year. I think I would paint the existing cabinets first, then see if you can find someone to re-face the cabinets with new doors in a year or two. Good luck! I'm also trying to renovate an old kitchen (from the 1940s) without re-doing it entirely. I'm repainting the old cabinets; TGMs would probably disagree, but I doubt if the "new owners" will like anything I would do anyway. Better for me to spend less money on it, and let the new owners completely gut the kitchen if they want to!
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Just replacing the top doors with glass would give the perception that the kitchen was more open and you could just do the two doors over the sink. You could use those two cabinets to store glasses and blue and white dishes which would then also help tie in your color scheme.if you use can lights make sure and use the 4" diameter halogen cans since the larger cans look dated. What I described above would give you more of a country look but you could go a little more transitional with what susan jarvin
Suggested. I loved her inlaw kitchen very fresh and inviting. I personally like yellow walls in a kitchen since they are sunny but I like a pale yellow something like BM HC5 Weston flax. You would have to test the colors on your kitchen walls since Light dramatically effects the way the colors are perceived
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Soft yellows on the wall, blue cobalt accents around the kitchen with dishes, etc... White subway tiles with a few colored accent tiles on the backsplash. Consider updating your hardware with blue glass knobs on your cabinets as a way to bring the cobalt color affordably to your kitchen. Lots of great ideas above.
by the way, painting that paneling in the living room will look stunning.
pics, please:-)
I really think your kitchen is a good candidate for cabinet refacing, rather than replacing- this will help your tight budget. If the doors are wood you could actually sand them yourself with a small hand-sander. I like the idea of painting them a yellow, like the cabinets Olldbobbi posted.
You should take the wallpaper down and paint the kitchen an off white and consider updating some of your appliances- depending on what your budget can afford. I'd recommend stainless steel.
Then I'd install a glass backsplash, we have a very lovely tile series called Liberty that you might really like. You can see our blue Liberty tile here- http://www.granitetransformations.com/southjersey/products/mosaic-tiles/colors/liberty/#!prettyPhoto[col_gall]/8/
You could focus on some accessories- towels, nic-nacs, etc. to bring some more color into your kitchen. I'd also consider installing granite counters. Our countertops can actually be installed right over your existing formica, so no demo and real granite counters! You can see more here- http://www.granitetransformations.com/southjersey/products/granite-countertops/colors/
Last, I'd install a new ceiling light, under cabinet lighting and that wood plank floor you like. You can see a few examples from the images I've attached.
Good luck with your kitchen remodel, post some pictures when you've completed it!
I was thinking about the Murals. DId you see the Kitchen Palette. It's a DIY and they can be interchangeable.
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The cabinets doors could be faced with headboard then framed around edge and look fantastic. If you know anyone with basic woodworking skills they could do it easily. Paint them white or yellow and you have a upscale look.
I think the butcher block counter sounds great but otherwise a neutral white sounds best to me.
You could renew the inside of the cabinets with a wipe on poly and it would camouflage as well as make them cleaner.
Just some of my thoughts. You sound like a fun person. Wish I could help you in person.
Have fun- necessity is the mother of invention.
RE: Painting the inside of the cabinet
Painting the inside is not done on new cabinets unless the space is open to the room. The reason for that is that it chips. However, a lot of these 'built-on-the-wall' cabinets did not have a cabinet bottom on the base cabinets. Instead the flooring was left exposed or linoleum was put down. If yours does not have a cabinet bottom, I would put down or replace the flooring with new white vinyl (glued down). You would have a clean, white base that wouldn't chip. If the insides aren't too bad, I'd leave them natural for the same reason. If they're not painted, I would polyurethane them--not for looks but to make them easier to clean. If they're painted already, I would repaint them white.
RE: Molding
Be careful about putting molding on this type of door. It is probably built as the picture below. Make sure that a piece of molding is going to work with the opening of the door. This can certainly be done, but it depends on the door, hinge, and space between the doors. If the molding is too close to the exposed hinge, you can see it would hit the hinge when the door is open even at a 90 degree angle.
RE: Lighting
Can lights will give you light that generally shines downward, unless you have a parabolic lens on them. That will spread the lighting out. You do generally need two kinds of light in a kitchen. Task lighting and ambient light. Task lighting lights a specific workspace. A good example of this is the light in a range hood that lights up the range top. Ambient light is light that is spread around the room, generally lighting it most everywhere. So can lights can be used to some extent with parabolics to spread the light around the room, but are generally used to light specific areas--such as the counterop/walk area. They may be sufficient in a small kitchen like this but I would suggest you get your electricians opinion on the type of lights needed. Also, do you have a light over the sink to give you some task lighting over the sink at night? If not, I would consider this one of the priorities.
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Is that a bead-board ceiling? Nice!
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