Monster of a Fireplace...I've never seen anything like it!
Ugh. I don't know what to do with this fireplace that DOMINATES our livingroom. The red carpet will be replace with hardwood, but what should be done with that fireplace??? This pic was taken with previous owners belongings.
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Your FP has a personality for sure and as you say "he" looks like it could eat you if you got too close! Let's select a name for "him". I say..."Hungry Howard"...or...dare I say? "Hannibal". :) Just having fun...no offense meant.:)
Per the "hobbit houses" -
http://freshome.com/2012/12/27/10-bewitching-hobbit-houses-seemengly-inspired-by-tolkiens-fantasy-novels/
There is no doubt in my mind that he would cringe at the idea that painting the brick would somehow bring the room together or minimize its influence on the space. He would again say (as stated above) , “It has been completely ignored and degraded."
In this case, architectural detailing is particularly important in providing balance in contrast to such a dominant structure.
For example, Increase the height of the baseboards to 12". Continue the baseboard as a panel under each window and over each window. Increase size of window casing. Build a soffit around the room and pull it forward of the brick. Put a square column in each corner under the soffit to further define the area and give it stature. Place small recessed lights in it to illuminate the perimeter of the entire space which will emphasize area and volume. Only illuminate one or two areas of interest on the brick; do not wash it with light (like a pin light over a center piece on a dining table). This will narrow your focus. Stain the floors a deep tone (when you take up the carpet, paint or stain the subfloor to see what is preferable). Now you have a well defined, balanced space. Materials for the detailing can be rustic or very clean lined. It's a matter of style.
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Just the kind of image I had in mind if photos are your thing.
Even if you don't like it, it would be a shame to destroy it. If you don't need a fireplace in that room, build a wall in front of it and have built in cabinets and shelves on either side.
If you love, then decorate around it. It is a tough one, so would be worth a couple of hundred dollars for a professional's design ideas.
You can be playful and paint the waves different colors (not strong or bright!). To keep the brick, you could paint the wall a similar color which would help it to blend in. To completely minimize it without destroying, paint it and the walls all the same color.
Good luck and be sure to let us know what you do.
If you do not have a good minds-eye, have someone put it into a simple modeling program such as Sketchup so you can manipulate the colors and see what the result will be of the various suggestions you've received. A very small investment for you. (or download the free version and enjoy building the model yourself.)
I would temper it by painting the flanking walls and ceiling a neutral color and use the same neutral color to create a semi-solid heavy glaze for the fireplace, one that about 2/3's opaque. The brick pattern won't fully disappear but will relax if you choose a color 1/2-way between the lightest and darkest colors within the fireplace, including the gray mortar color in your decision. Pulling the walls and fireplace together with color will help the fireplace settle into the length of the room rather than feel so heavy and dominant in the center. From the photos on my monitor, a warm "taupe" feels better that "gray". What you are left with is more sculptural and less screaming brick. Too, with the ceiling also the same color, you minimize the strong line created where the F/pl meets the ceiling.
If it were my home, I'd leave open the option to take it beyond the glaze to opaque paint if it still felt overwhelming after glazing. Either way, your fireplace will always have strong presence.
Can't quite see the hearth, but if it isn't too dark, you might leave it. Add a strong, organic, horizontal, larger accessory to the left of the fireplace opening.
The more you make the new flooring a softer transition to the fireplace, the gentler the fireplace's impact. Not too dark.
I have no idea what your personal interior style is and who/how you'll use the room, but with a more monochromatic canvas I see either the comfort of cabin style and all the fun you can have with that or clean, contemporary, mid-century-lite, which can work well if you are fastidious and not prone to over-decorating.
Thanks to your photo, I will be having a fireplace nightmare when I go to sleep tonite. :(
http://www.masonryconstruction.com/Images/Prolific%20in%20Brick_tcm68-1375673.pdf
It is however dated 1998.
The home sits among a pine forest with a pond and lots of really lovely natural features. I think this is what inspired JS and previous owners. The current owner too, as a matter of fact. In one of the articles, Spofforth mentions that he doesn't treat exterior brick because he like to see those pieces change, grow, evolve naturally. Now, I'm actually considering not cleaning the exterior chimney, but rather leaving the discoloration as part of his plan.
I'm loving the idea of clean, simple, contemporary furniture and pulling in organic, natural elements. Thanks so much for all of your suggestions!!! This is a TOUGH one for sure!!! :)
Like you, I do not like it. There is hope though: painting the walls, changing out the floors and adding your own decorative items and a mantle may just be the best way to go. You might end up loving it!
If I had something like this in my house I would play with my imagination and find furniture that would relate to this design, like contemporary , take a look at the Bilbao in this
http://www.1contemporary.com/contact.html
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http://www.amcork.com/wall-tile.asp.
http://www.corkstore.com/Products/Cork-Bark-Wall-Tiles_3/Wall-Tile-Cork-Bark
http://www.leecork.com/corkpro/cork_bark.asp
Of course, if you can't live with it, take it down. I agree with most that painting it would not solve the problem if you don't like it. It's the undulating nature of it that can be disturbing, and that won't change with paint. Also, it will just look like you tried to cover it up.
As they say, love it and enhance it - or lose it!
Yes, sell it on ebay, or to a restoration company, museum, etc. It's the kind of art that makes you go, "AHHH!" in a horror-movie kind of way.
I like symmetry, clean lines, and classic design. Georgian, Modern, Art Deco, Prairie Style - ooh la la. I don't like Gaudi, Gothic, or Art Nouveau. (Although a few people in my Interior Design class did...barely a few.) Whenever there is a mad genius in movies, that's the kind of style they like. Are you one of them?
I would alter it a bit however - by staining all the brick a uniform modern taupe greige the pattern of wave would be easier to see and become more harmonious. I also love the idea of barnwood / reclaimed cedar plank siding for the rest of the room - ideally washed warm cream to bring out the grain /greiges but keep the room light. I think the same idea of driftwood found mantle that could be a branch of a tree shaped to the space would be amazing and worth executing. Then you have a modern art piece that complements the room style rather than a 60's mod art piece that dominates the room. Even the artist would endorse adjustments to keep rather than demolish.
Sadly, I know enough about masonry to know this is not able to be removed in one piece to your garden or anywhere else . . . . .
Looks like the designer never met a straight line he liked. :-) Awesome fireplace.
You must have liked it or you wouldn't have bought the house , if I see something that I don't like I wont buy it , and for something of this large scale I would think on how much work it would be to take it down and how much money it would cost me to fix the area ,therefore the easiest solution to your dilemma is .... sell the house as is ,someone will like it.
Its somwhat like a Picasso I wouldn't want one but others have paid millions for one , also remember that many artist have become famous at some point in their lives either they were alive or dead , so my dear I really think that you have a masterpiece that you don't like.
http://thepost.ohiou.edu/content/ou-alum-upset-over-casual-disregard-his-wall
I hope you can work with the fireplace in some way to bring out the artistry. I like the ideas some others have posted.
Two things come to mind:
1) Do a Wise Guys theme (the movie) and make it open up to create a bar and entertainment center,
or
2) Sell your house, someone will love it.
If not for the patterning of the brick I got excited looking at it! I would stucco the brick to give it an adobe look and continue the motiff with exposed log beams on the ceiling with old growth pine flooring. Give it a southwest makeover.
If youre not going Avant Garde I'd tear it down and reface it... Painting it white might be worth a shot first...
If it were me I'd embrace it as is.... it's one in a million!
The hearth is too square for the wildly undulating brick. If possible, add a curve of some sort to the hearth. Find a way to incorporate some driftwood into your decor on other walls to bring that weathered gray around the room a little and I think you will grow to love it.
One note on changing out the track lighting: be mindful of how the lights are directed before changing them out as I suspect they were designed to add highlights and shadows to the fireplace. If you replace them, you might consider marking the places they are aimed with painter's tape before taking them down so you can orient the new lighting to the points marked with tape. MUCH easier than trying to figure out how to orient new lighting and have it look good since there was probably a great deal of thought put into it when it was first installed.
Thanks for sharing this amazing piece with us all!
How is the lighting? You may also want to consider wall color darker than the brick to change up the room completely. Oh, and the carpet needs to go... Something dark wood or neutral carpet will do the brick wonders. Just please, please don't consider painting it until you've changed the floor and wall color ;-)
My opinion is that you need a pofessional and a good one too. Someone who will embrace the challenge and enjoy making friends with the monster. Thank you for bringing this design challenge to us :-))
jcorrigan, I'm curious - do you have photos available with your own furnishings in the room?
Perhaps you could look at art work done with a palatte knife of an abstract woodland scene. The palette knife approach of the painting would add more texture to the feature wall to help balance the texture of the brick pattern. I also like the suggestion of framed and matted pictures of the artists other work grouped together as a tribute.
The track lighting has to go. Don't even try to update the fixture. Call an electrician and have see what they have to offer.
Get some small containers of paint and try various colors in gray, greens, and tans. A grayish green paint color might helpt transition to the lush outdoors I see through the window. A darker paint color might tone it down rather than highlight it, but you will be able to tell that when you paint large patches of the paint samples you buy.
You need to keep the fireplace in tack.
IF not, tear the fireplace down and make one that you like. This fireplace is a bit of a joke.
There were some serious suggestions earlier that involved the use of gray and pretty subdued floor, wall and window treatments. They really seemed like they'd work well.
I'm glad for you that this isn't your main living area so you aren't forced to make a hasty decision to make it work. Certainly the a good deal of the Houzz community is watching to see where you take this!
I'm also wondering - the initial photo you posted with the red rug - were those the original owners of this house/room? If not, I'm wondering how the room was first decorated when the FP was built. Makes me wonder what the original design mindset was.
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=cappadocia&go=&qs=ds&form=QBIR
Seriously, painting it white does transform it to something interestingly contemporary. and I love the gold fish.
But in all seriousness, tearing it down would be a crime. The first photo I saw I was "Whoa!" But the more I look at it, the more I like it. Some people have suggested stucco or paint or plastering it and making it look like a tree, but why would that be any better than what it is? There is no doubt it is truly a work of art, by a nationally known artist. He may not be Michelangelo, but he's not unknown. You're right to worry that tearing this down might really devalue this house. Someone suggested painting the wall about the color of the mortar. I think that's a great idea. Either that or one of the major colors of the brick. You need some major window treatments and some big, statement furniture pieces to stand up to it. It's amazing and I'd decorate around it, making it the focal point it deserves to be, but keeping it from overpowering the room.
Have you considered some other pieces in the room that kind of mimic the feel? http://craftybot.net/bookcase.html http://pinterest.com/pin/276971445804975076/
I'd either a) paint it, or b) drywall mud over it so it becomes smooth.
The drywall mud would keep the unique curves, but soften it a bit - its a cool fireplace
but it needs to be tamed!
Either way, you've got a very unique focal point - work with it, don't get rid of it - change it up a bit
to make it become more of a feature instead of an elephant!
Sorry so long. I don't usually post my opinion in discussions anywhere, but I felt the strong need to add to the defense of this oddly beautiful piece of 'art'. I look forward to updates on the status of this room, I think....,
Whatever you do, thanks for the chance to exercise my imagination. I'm really enjoying this thread.
1. Very modern, with very strong horizontal lines to give people a steadying place to hold onto (for the ones who complained of feeling queasy looking at the undulations in the brick). Reference barnhartgallery's second design picture.
2. Bring the outdoors inside with a very woodsy, rustic theme. A subcategory of that would be "fantasy"; reference joannpb's idea of misty woods mural; or Karen Paul Interiors' Dr. Seuss.
Whatever you do, HAVE FUN! Bring out your wild, playful side.
I wonder if you could complement it with other massive organic furniture pieces and also maybe tone down the color contrasts with paint on walls and a glaze on bricks. Keep the shape but mollify the strident colors.
Can you remove the top portion?
Lol...How was that sucker built?
By the way, I think the furniture styles you have in your Ideabook look wonderful.
I'd get a real art appraisal of it's historical value to see if it's really worth preserving or selling .
If you keep it, go with the Gaudi/ Gehry theme with more organic shaped pieces or sleek lines. I don't think painting or plastering could tone it down, I'd love to see what you do with it.
looks all right and if you prolong the plinth all over the length to draw out attention of the black "hole"
its got to go
call a brick guy and get rid of it pronto...
http://furniture.trendzona.com/interior-design/bricks-in-the-interior-part-3.html
And please, share photos of the final results!
My aesthetic conclusion is that the fireplace is interesting and not ugly but looks bad in that very conventional tract-home sort of room.
Btw, thought about asking the artist what he thinks you should do with it?
Some how your post has provoked my silly side and would love to imagine decorating the room with foresty imagery that I've seen here are houzz before.
Seriously, I'm glad you've decided to embrace the unique. You will never ever have a Stepford house ;-)
I do like both of your flooring choices. It almost seems that the dark gray would work better with Spoffy - but ti's hard to tell basing only on photos. Are you leaning toward either one?
Thank you for entertaining the masses! Keep us updated with pics and info!
jcorrigan, what are you thinking of for an accent color?
If you don't like that idea, then I would go in the opposite direction and frame it out so that the edges are straight. The ceiling line bothers me, too - by boxing it in with trim it would make it feel less organic, but would make it feel more like it fits the very rectangular shape of the rest of the room.
Another idea might be to add very organic shelves across the drywall portions - very irregular and with a live edge. Or, how about adding veneer panels? It's not only the design and scale of the fireplace but also the dichotomy between the materials that is kind of brutal.
The plaster wall concept (best I could do)
Long Island Modernism 1930-1980
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Look at this one against ledgestone - along the same lines
California Residence
Veneer panels like this would give a much more organic feel to the rest of the wall
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Reclaimed wood wall
Quaker Bluff Residence
I am very curious as to it's history...previous owners of your house or whomsoever had it comissioned.
Obviously an awful lot of planning went into it (though some would disagree lol) and I wonder if there was more to the plan as it just seems to be sitting in the room all by itself. How many have noticed the subtle angel fish worked into the design? Maybe there was a theme that never got finished.
I absolutly love it but do understand that it is a designing challenge. Hope you can hang in there while we all brainstorm....I think you have a real treasure. Best of luck.
Here's another great fireplace that got "improved": http://www.houzz.com/discussions/281362/Brick-Fireplace-to-Stone-Veneer-Transformation
Maybe you can email and get pictures of their Spofforth fireplace.
I love the idea of the juxtaposition of the eclectic wild nature of Spoffy against the quieter natural organic elements and shades.
Man, you're writing a pretty amazing family saga here!
Some people may call this art, I call this; “does not belong.”
May be interesting to look at, but belongs in an art museum not someone’s home,
“Just my thoughts”
Good luck with this unusual looking fireplace.
Personally, I know what I would do.
In your first response you said " I don't know whether to go white or charcoal grey paint and make that crazy thing a piece of art, or try to go more warm, den, library look."
And six weeks later, it seems that a subtle blend of the looks you mentioned way back when are what everyone seems to gravitate to!
In budget you can use faced plywood where you rotate grain on your "puzzle pieces" to carry wave action out. Proud to say I loved this tree trunk from the start when you posted artist portfolio -
Then suggested masonry stain in a taupe (medium brown gray - it will stain the grout too but it does make it darker) so only wave action remains - this combined with a driftwood taupe stain finish on the plywood panels just one shade lighter in the same color family so you have the same tonal quiet over the entire elevation. The whole wall would feel unified.
If you are attached to keeping brick, stain wood the color of the warm element in it. On left - since it is wider, I would be tempted to use panels in an arc to "ground the curves on the left" - like the brick was the big part of a wave and the plywood elements started low in the left corner and rose up in a wave like action to meet the full height of the brick. Still use plywood panels all the way across the wall, but above the wave action, maybe turn the grains all vertical. It gives an "inception" to the piece - like the edge root on a tree.
beerpocketbook, I don't know how to describe the house; I know little about architecture. Interestingly, I know 2 out of 3 of the previous owners but not the first one. I might be able to get my hands on a pic of the house in early years. There have been changes to the front, side, and rear of the home in the last 20 years (attached garage is now a downstairs master, screened porch is now a dining area, entryway reworked, etc.) It's a little retro? Original casement (sp?) windows, painted wood exterior. Unfortunately, we had to take out a lot of the greenery that's just outside the window in the pic. The 100 year old pines were just too old and too close to the house. We leveled it and seededi it. Nivce to have some flat yard, but now it's not so pretty...a view of the detatched garage. :( My style is transitional, clean lines, uncluttered.
Libradesigneye, so I love what I think you're saying, but I might be a little confused. 2 different materials? Plywood and what? dmldml mentioned cork about 5 weeks ago (see pic). I wonder if that could be shaped and used in your idea??
jc77: you want the look of copper for say a penny a square inch? think about it...it was posted earlier here....make it a life time project...only pennies you find in the street. I'm tired...been looking at that cockamamie fireplace too long. good night. my sister in Spain has been drooling over your fireplace by-the-way. You are officially an international smash!
Consider layers of wood - faced plywood base and then wood veneer cut into "puzzle shapes" glued on top. Imagine that you start on the left wall and put full sheets of plywood with horizontal grain stacked behind as your base. These would glue and finish nail in. This is like your background. You can do the same with one sheet on the other side of the fireplace cut in half and stacked. Just think you want to keep grain running sideways as a base behind.
Then your puzzle pieces can be layered on top of these. You could use the thinner veneer wood with the 3m glue backing and layer them on top of each other as needed - then they don't have to fit exactly when you cut them out - you can play with what edge to leave on top where they meet. This will create more dimension but this is good since your brick pops out from the wall itself.
You can mock up the shapes with butcher paper, then cut them out yourself with a jigsaw or for the veneer, a french curve and a utilty knife. see http://www.eaglebaywood.com/veneers/index.html
The trick is that you are turning the wood sheets at a variety of angles to cut them into your puzzle pieces so the grain becomes an extension of the brick wave lines (like his drawing - but with conscious attention to where the direction of the wood grain is).
Using 4 x 8 sheets of furniture grade veneer wood, you wouldn't have any shapes bigger than 3'6 x 5' to keep the organic lines going and could map this out first so you can buy the right number / size of smaller veneer sheets if you like. Cutting out puzzle pieces will take time and care, but the price is right on materials.
Cork as an option would add another texture too, but it doesn't have the linear grain that the wood will bring to visually extend the "waves" in the brick and I think it will ultimately be a more expensive material. Also, it is the color that it is - it can't really go lighter like wood can though I've seen it darker.
Some other threads on fireplaces made me think about one more thing that might make all the difference to you. If you want to keep the original brick, the light tones are good in the small room. One change that might make a huge difference is to have a mason come in and point it back and grout it with light colored grout to match the majority cream color in the brick. This will make the wall much less busy since it takes the strong contrasting grout lines out - when he built this, no one was coloring grout like we do now - gray was his only choice. If he did it today, I'm certain he would select a matching grout color to let his waves shine rather than the grout.
This is not a do it yourself job but it should only be about a two day job with not much materials cost if you want to get it priced. I would rather have a more modern look with a one tone brick and would probably stain it all out mid-tone brown-gray, but that is the first step I would take before I decided.
So your "homemade art" wood wall could be either stained natural to echo the honey tone in the brick or white washed with a warm cream paint to echo the lighter elements in the natural brick. If you decide to stain brick, you can stain the wood on the wall one shade lighter. The idea is to unify the whole wall
That line, where the two meet makes the fireplace look wrong. Open up the room, pale recedes! Dark brings forwards. Simple rods over the windows with light linen drapes, simple, simple, simple! This is an addendum to my previous posts, can't seem to quit this!
It's nifty and was created by a pretty sophisticated mason.
It is sort of voluptuous in it's own right.
Some great ideas already put forth on how to intergrate this work into the rest of the room.
Those of you who appeciate the organic nature of the work may want to check out Patrick Dougherty at www.stickwork.net
A rough hewn mantle like this counter may look nice against the brick?
I would scribe it to the FP so the whole thing looks like one piece.
http://www.crateandbarrel.com/search.aspx?query=stone%20stool
I just did a quick search for rust wall paint and found these patinas from a professional faux finisher. I do like the look!
http://www.terrafaux.com/home/metal-patina/metal-paint-patinas
There was a crooked man, and he walked a crooked mile.
He found a crooked sixpence against a crooked stile.
He bought a crooked cat, which caught a crooked mouse,
And they all lived together in a little crooked house.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Abaca-Woven-Table-Lamp-With-Glass-Shade-24-H-/360614394078?pt=Lamps_US&hash=item53f64af8de
Anywhooo...as long as you're waiting for your new digs, you might find some artsy stuff you like if you search for the textiles of Valentina Ramos. Her frog and owl reminded me of you. Keep bein' Spoffie and stay you. -K Barnhart
Barnhart, how the heck do you do those mockups?? What program? I'm not interested in trying to learn Photoshop, but if anyone knows of cheaper, simpler software...? Also love your enthusiasm!! :)
I hope you'll get a pleather-bound photo album in which to keep a printout of all of these comments to place on a burled wood coffee table in the Spoffie room for posterity and amusement. Looking forward to your next update!
Three cheers to...
jcorrigan for keeping the fans updated!
jcorrigan's DH for going into battle with red berber - and WINNING. And then giving Spoffy some light!
jcorrigan's quasi-SIL for understanding that big decisions take time.
Barnhart Gallery for keeping Spoffy surrounded by the latest and greatest ideas.
And mostly to Spoffy and the fan club who salutes conventionality with a resounding raspberry!
Barnhart Gallery, I nominate you as the fan club president, as JCorrigan 77 is already Spoffy's owner and has her work cut out for her just maintaining Spoffy's image. Also love the idea for an album of all these comments....a "baby book" of sorts which could be presented to a prospective buyer in the event that JCorrigan should ever decide to sell. It might just be a selling feature showing how much interest Spoffy has generated.
I, for one, hope this site stays open for some time, as I have fallen in love with Spoffy and look forward to my email box each morning. I know that JC and her family actually have a life outside of all this and will eventually need to move on, but I do hope before they do that they post a parting shot of Spoffy in all his glory.
Thanks for all the fun and keep the comments coming.
I don't know how I feel about this ! JC,are you ready for the notoriety ? Yikes!!!
Please, someone check me out on this...did I get this wrong or is our Spoffy going "big time"?
JC...I fear you may be giving tours of your home soon if Spoffy's popularity continues to swell. At least that would be one way to pay for his redo.
Chin up...we are there for you!!!
Just spotted on Houzz: Spoffy's country cousin
http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/decor/msg0216212428474.html?10
And click here to see Spoffy's big daddy, as mentioned by jakabedy on the above site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/39455884@N00/5594448691/
No offense intended ..please do not take any.
I think you have a unique and exciting project on your hands.
It really is all about how you deal with the rest of the space, that will ultimately determine the quality of this room. If you treat the artist's work with consideration and respect you will further enhance it's position within the room.
The application of mirrors to the adjacent walls will only add to the 3D qualities of this artwork and improvements to the lighting, wall and flooring finishes will ultimately create a space that will work with whatever furniture you put in.....and it should.
We think that it could look a little something like this...
I have, like many others, transitioned from "oh how weird" to that is so "cool". I googled John Spofforth and after reading his biography and the intent behind his art, it is easier to understand "Spoffy". Congratulations for having such a stimulating Decorating Dilemna!
Imagine a Metal sculpture created using the contours of the fireplace to increase the appeal of the room and add more drama. Awesome opportunity to get outside the box.
Sometimes embracing the difficulty is the answer.
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Seriously though, there are a ton of wonderful ideas here and I really hope we get to find out which direction you choose . My favorite is from 3DCGI, and if the mirrors are too costly then I think a plank wood treatment on either side would be just as nice. What I have learned from most of the suggestion is that it is the whole room blending together that will make the difference.....not just fixing the fireplace... and I feel like 3DCGI showed us a very good example of simplicity. "Spoffy" looked very happy in that setting! Best of luck to you and please keep your fans updated.
Glad you are still reading our posts...I check this feed almost every day. Sounds like you have chosen a flooring solution and the project is underway. Good luck with that. These projects take a lot of time so hang in there. I am sure you are going to love whatever you choose as your design.
One thing for sure, you have made a ton of new friends with this adventure.
I would like to know if Houzz has ever had a subject generate this much interest before. Come on Houzz....doesn't JCorrigan deserve some recognition for bringing so much attention to your site?
Well, good luck JC...you are still our favorite.
The other option is to build a book case around the upper part ( above it ) to make the fireplace look smaller and without damaging it and try to add a mantel to it. At least that way you won't damage it ( just covered it) but still partly get what you want.
How is the project coming along? I'll bet you are up to yours ears in sawdust and the last thing you want to do is chime in here, but PLEASE, touch base with us occasionally!!! At least that way we will all know if our quest is over or not. I have to admit that I will miss checking for updates every morning, so I am hoping that you are still with us. Thanks, and good luck with Spoffy.