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Aggie Purvinska So no windows only the french door at the end? Is that a single column? This is no good, the island is odd and too far and the U shape is really nit contributing, and the fridge there is not at it's optimal locations, this needs a complete switcheroo. So you have a plan view with adjacent rooms? Can you post it. Sharpie is ready.

nelsons2012 P.S. if hard to read the plan, the distance from sink to edge of island is almost 73 inches, and other working aisle is 42 inches. Thanks for feedback!

Aggie Purvinska I can see that and it is not practical. You may have to incorporate the column with an island and maybe not turn the corner in the U shape, or if you do, some very shallow tall storage there, etc. This needs work, it's much easier even for us the designer types to see the entire picture. If you want feedback you need to give info.

Interiors International, Inc. I like it though I would make the island longer toward the cabinet end of the kitchen. That area seems to be wasted space.

nelsons2012 Here is the rest of the plan. It is a townhome so there are limitations....column can't move, no window in kitchen, and we tried to incorporate the column in island but it makes the rooms feel very chopped up. The rest of plan will probably be tough to read, but here it is.....I do unfortunately have limitations, but such is life! Trying to find best solution within reality of my space......thanks

nelsons2012 Interior internationals.....thx, the limitation with extending it is the fridge, and we would have to make the main work aisle where range is etc would have to become slightly less than 40 inches. That is the struggle with this kitchen! Trying to figure out which trade-off is best.....

mmilos Do you have a window over your sink? Consider adding an additional prep sink to the island.

If the problem extending the island further is the fridge location, I would consider moving your wall oven or pantry to that location, or making it an L-shaped kitchen. Move your fridge to the end where the pantry is now. Put the sink in the island. This would create a smaller, more efficient work triangle. 36" for a non-work aisle is standard. 42" for a work aisle.

nelsons2012 No window because its a townhouse. Would have loved to put fridge where wall oven is but even though counter depth it shrinks that work aisle.......ugh. This is so hard! Thx for the ideas.

nelsons2012 Here is the other option....posted it a few days ago, took feedback from these boards and kitchen designer came up with the option posted at beginning of this thread.

Aggie Purvinska Here is how I see it, U shape eliminated, Island Shape Changed to L, Column Incorporated, Fridge Moved to the other side, more breathing room, better flow. Sink needs to move in with this design 3 feet or so.

nelsons2012 Aggie designs...Thanks, a little hard to read. Let me be sure I get it. Move fridge to where pantry is? Sink moves 3 feet to left of where it is now on same wall?

Aggie Purvinska Yes, Fridge to where the pantry is, but like a 18" wide pantry can stay next to fridge, ovens move to the other end, but not in a U Shape, just the same wall as cooktop. No more U Shape. And sink moves to the right however much it needs to for comfort and you have to fit a dishwasher, may need to be on the left.

Aggie Purvinska Sink is not where your new plans says it is, it's where the old plan says it is.

I am working off the old plan, the new plan is scrapped, sorry Home Depot;)

nelsons2012 When you say old plan, do you mean the one posted originally with this post?

Urbana ~ Designer Ellen Crystal if you do fridge by wall ovens instead of pantry, then where fridge was, do a shallow pantry area, so your island can increase in size you will solve the majority of your problem!!!! Try for a shallow depth model. box the fridge so it looks more built in. you'll have to adjust the spacing of cabinets along stove top wall, but plenty of room to make it fit. It really is a generous kitchen for a townhome. Senior Designer~ urbana kitchens.

Urbana ~ Designer Ellen Crystal the revised plan posted is good... will work too! Just be careful of the corner unit by fridge... door might not open as I advised previously as fridge is very deep.

nelsons2012 Hi Ellen, the house is about 3500 square feet, so we have space, it is just awkward. When you the revised plan is good, do you mean the one posted at the beginning of thread with smaller island but bigger work aisles, or the one with larger island and smaller 40 inch work aisle where oven range etc is right now? We do have counter depth refrigerator and end panels planned for all open ends, regardless of what ends up going there. Thanks!

Aggie Purvinska No the old plan you posted after I requested the whole floor plan.

Aggie Purvinska Here is how I see it...

nelsons2012 AggieDesigns....any chance you would hazard a guess as to How much space between butcher block end of island and cook top in your design? Thanks again!!

Urbana ~ Designer Ellen Crystal Your plan at top of this post is quite workable. I also like what Aggie has proposed. Little further from dining from serving, but the island is nice shape & gives you many options for using for eating as well as buffet meals.

Aggie Purvinska I think it's at 54" or so, I think I didn't want to crowd it too much, kind of aligned it with the wall to the right for better flow, but it could go further in another 6-10"..

Aggie Purvinska Also another thought, another pull out trash bin could be under the knife drawer under the butcher block for speedy food prep.

nelsons2012 I actually love more space there at the "top" of the kitchen....it's not such a big kitchen that its too much, and I like a little space! Thanks again......

nelsons2012 So....husband just won't budge on having island come out from pillar that is required structurally. We have taken the advice to get rid of the U shape....thanks to everyone who commented on that! I do like the aisle width here. Range cant move because that is only place where hood can be vented from.m so lots of limitations, but i think our layout is getting better without the U. What I am worried about is lots of different size upper cabinets. They will go to ceiling with glass on the "toppers" for the uppers. Any final thoughts before we sign off with builder would be much appreciated!

nelsons2012 Here is one more photo to give a sense of various cabinet sizes. Island will have big drawers and microwave drawer.

Aggie Purvinska Hi there just a few points..

1)What cabinet line are you using, it seems like whoever is laying it out is steering you away from expensive cabinets into a stock line. Which is fine, but may not allow the best options? What is the budget?
2) Are you going to be OK with a 30” Cooktop, it will have 4 burners. If you are a big cook, it may not be enough (you may want to simmer on two, cook on two and shuffle on the off ones, etc, 36” 6 burner is just soooo much more convenient,
3)You could potentially chase the hood vent at the upper cabinets and it may not be a big problem at all, I would like to see cooktop closer to ovens and sink closer to fridge,
4)If you don’t design with upper cabinets in mind, the top row glass cabinets will look like an afterthought. If the top row of cabs is a priority, it needs to be designed with upper cabinet priority (remember bases don’t need to align with uppers, they need to of course, be the same length in the end, but they don’t have to be 24” Base, 24” Wall above, no ifs ends or buts.
5)Cooktop should probably have a Drawer Base Below, so much more convenient to store pots and pans in that.
6)Island may need to have more functionality in mind, when designing, what about mixer lift, dry goods storage, paper towel storage, bar tools, maybe Wine cooler?
7)I like the new layout, but whoever is rushing you is obviously not a big cook, and if you are, you need to take a step back and decide how you want this built and these thousands of dollars spent.
8)I will, when I have time later try to draw with upper cabinet priority to show what I mean.

Urbana ~ Designer Ellen Crystal 1) nudge fridge over to left to make pantry single door, then leaves more room left of stove.

2) make a solid short cabinet over range to divert the connection point so either side can match. That is most critical area as more or less a focal point with the accent hood and all. (each side 33")

3) ovens lesser used item, so fine in corner

4) agree with Aggie.. definite for big drawers under cooktop. So much easier

5) consider one wider top light door, flip up instead of pair of doors. less busy & not so critical to be all the same sizes. Also, easier to see what is actually up there.

It is looking good overall

Senior Designer~Urbana, Victoria, BC

nelsons2012 Hi Aggie and Ellen, thanks for these thoughts; making progress!

Anderson Designs I would switch the sink and the cooktop. This would get the sink closer to the mess when cleaning up and create more of a focal point with the cooktop. I would also switch the ovens with the refrigerator this will keep the cooking area together and also get the refrigerator closer to where it is more accessible. When framing out sink and cooktops, try to have the cabinets on either side more symmetrical (ex. If the cabinet to the right is 30" wide double door then the cabinet to the left should be a 30" double door or a 15" single door, so that the size of the doors are the same. Hope this helps.

Lori Epperson on all the base cabinets I would do big drawers. They are so much more practical and useful.
Everything is easier to reach and it's very usable. I like the new layout much better.

nelsons2012 Thanks to everyone....design is finally done! Symmetry in cabinets, big drawers. Feedback has been so helpful.