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by Ariadni
3 months ago in Design Dilemma
Houzzers- my kitchen needs a little help!
Hi! We recently moved into this house (our first home!) and estimate we'll be here for 5 years. We live in Wyoming. The previous owners did a bit of updating, but for resale value (and to make this home more "us"), we'd like to give this kitchen a facelift. The stools and window treatments were here when we moved in. Our style is contemporary.

Cabinets...we love white cabinets with clean, simple lines, but the current Birch cabinets are pretty new, and brown cabinets are not necessarily falling out favor in this area. It'll save us money to more or less keep the cabinets as they are.

What we want to change and where we need your help:

1.) Changing white appliances to stainless steel.

2.) Would white cabinets make the kitchen look much more spacious or can the brown work well here? Luckily, we have plenty of natural light, recessed lighting and some fluorescent lights under the cabinets.

3.) The laminate countertop has to go...but what direction should we go? Dark or light? Do you recommend quartz, granite...? We like the speckled look (like Eco by Consentino, Riverbed or Luna).

4.) The backsplash- we're not fans. Perhaps subway tiles would work? We like the look of glass.

5.) We're thinking of putting some brushed nickel modern hardware on the cabinets. Would that work with this "style" of cabinet?

I look forward to hearing your thoughts and advice. :)
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Rhonda Chen Interior Design Details There are so many possibilities. I like your ideas. 1) Stainless steel appliances great idea. 2) Yes, and to give you some continuity between rooms and a more spacious look, changing the cabinetry to white cabinetry using a simple slab doorstyle will go great with your new appliances. 3) A light colored quartz countertop could work beautifully for a monochromatic look, and so can the dark if you prefer something more dramatic or contrasting in a color you love. The quartz is more contemporary and easy to maintain. 4) A linear glass tile set vertically or horizontally could work well, as well as a solid colored glass on the backsplash. 5) Brushed nickel hardware sounds good; something simple and linear. 6) If you will be changing the cabinetry, you might want to consider cabinetry doors that are more uniform in size. Also, since the kitchen is small, you might want to go with a cooktop with a built-in oven vs a slide-in range, and possibly a hood over the cooktop vs a microwave, and a microwave drawer. Again, you have so many possibilities. I've attached a couple of picture options. Good luck.
3 months ago · ·
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3 months ago · ·
Redbud Custom Homes Paint your cabinets white and save the appliances. Stainless steel appliances are no longer as important as they used to be. We just installed a $12k Viking range ... the color: WHITE! Do a beautiful smoke grey glass subway tile, paint your cabinets white, and visit dougmocket.com for some contemporary handles and hardware. Good luck!!
3 months ago ·
Rhonda Chen Interior Design Details I forgot to add images. Here they are.
3 months ago · ·
JWinteriors Stainless is not going out of style...they will always be used in commercial kitchens and have an upgrade look in a residential kitchen.
3 months ago · ·
Ariadni Thank you all - these are great things to consider.

We went to Lowe's recently and saw our exact cabinets in huge boxes, ready for some DIY action. When I asked the Lowe's cabinet specialist about the cabinets he referred to them as their 5 year cabinets and then showed us what he calls their 15 and 20 year cabinets. I have to admit, my heart sank a little.

Does this mean my cabinets will look like complete junk in 5 years- right when we will be looking to sell our home?

Another option we have found is a "renewal" of our cabinets (Home Depot provides this service). We would have the option to change our cabinet color for roughly $2,600. Any input on this?
3 months ago · ·
Ariadni Also, initially the soffit didn't bother us but I'm now wondering if it makes the kitchen look dated/cheap. Should we remove it and install 42 in. cabinets?
3 months ago · ·
mckstacy What brand of cabinetry are you looking at? We completely re-designed our 80's kitchen...took out everything to the studs. We used Kraftmaid cabs, probably middle of the road price range - never heard anything about "life-span" - & that was 12 yrs. ago. We custom ordered the cabs to fit our design. Color is a glazed cream. The cabinets are still great, however they do need to be repainted. Re: quote for $2600 to change the cab color...is that a new PAINT COLOR? If so, that seems outrageously HIGH! Get some quotes from local painters...word of mouth from friends for good painters, or DIY! Oh, our Kraftmaid cabs are alder I believe.
3 months ago · ·
Rhonda Chen Interior Design Details If possible, get rid of the soffit. Sometimes, there are hidden wiring, ducting, structural, etc. in the soffit. But if you can get rid of it, it would open up your kitchen to even more design possibilities.

@mckstacy, Kraftmaid cabinets have many great doorstyle options, storage features and long lasting finishes, and usually come with a limited lifetime warranty on the finishes of some doorstyles. You might want to check into your warranty before painting them. Kraftmaid finishes have a special catalytic varnish that don't bubble and peel, which you'll never usually get from locally painted cabinets.
3 months ago · ·
Rhonda Chen Interior Design Details If you're on a tight budget, you might want to consider door replacement, which might also include the addition and modification of some of your existing cabinetry, working with a general contractor (or cabinetry specialist) vs a big box store. Sometimes door replacement or refacing costs are close to the cost of replacing your cabinets.
3 months ago ·
hockey456 If stainless appliances are what you want, put those in before you do anything. I think you might like your cabinets more next to stainless.
3 months ago · ·
mckstacy Rhonda Chen - thank you for that great tip!
3 months ago · ·
Ariadni @Rhonda Chen- we poked a hole into the soffit and luckily, it's empty. My husband is an electrician so he can re-route the electrical for the light the previous owner put in the soffit, above the window.

We'll check into door replacement - it's also something we considered. I guess the only challenge there would be finding a color to match the existing in the style we like? It's certainly worth looking into.

@mckstacy- Lowe's sells Diamond, Shenandoah and Kraftmaid cabinets. We were told Kraftmaid cabs are on the "higher end" and were recommended to look at Diamond and Shenandoah mid-range cabs. There's nothing really wrong with the cabinets- they function and seem fairly new (slight chipping in some areas). The issue we have is probably purely aesthetic (we prefer more modern and in a white/ivory color) and our realtor recommended 42 inch cabinets for resale value. We know we won't be here forever and are hoping to increase the value of the home. We want something that will still look great after 5 years. It's funny you mentioned Kraftmaid, since that's the brand my husband gravitated to.

We're weary of painting the cabinets, since it can be tricky and pricy. Then there's the issue of eventual bubbling or peeling....?
3 months ago · ·
Ariadni @hockey456 - this is a good idea but the microwave and stove would have to wait, since we want to go with the cooktop with a built-in oven vs a slide-in range, like Rhonda Chen mentioned.
3 months ago · ·
Rhonda Chen Interior Design Details Good news about the soffit; that was an important obstacle to uncover. It now opens up the possibility of a more interesting design, more cabinetry storage, a new modern ventilation hood, and more.

With regard to door refacing, there are many doorstyles and colors to choose from. And the exposed framing is also resurfaced in a material to match the color of your new doors. For example, if you go with a white laminate or white thermofoil door, they will resurface any exposed frames with matching white laminate. And matching a stained wood doorstyle would work the same.
3 months ago · ·
rinqreation I kinda like the cabinets. A new countertop (light; recycled glass, concrete), some paint on the soffit/removed, new hardware and non-white appliances, good to go.

3 months ago · ·
Ariadni @rinqreation - the white/light counter tops with the blue on the walls makes it work....very soothing. The door style of those cabinets is more in line with what we want for the house. The only problem is...I'm not sure if the current cabinets will survive 5 years.
3 months ago ·
Kelly My only advice- do not throw good money after bad. I am not sure I would spend nearly $3000 to update 5 year cabinets. The 5 years probably refers to the actual cabinet- not the doors. Many cabinets are not solid wood but mdf or particle board. This breaks down after a while and it is hard to get the screws to stay in because the cabinet literally is made of pressed particles. If you really want the white cabinets, go for it, your kitchen is not that large really- it is a standard kitchen plus an island. And you said the laminate has to go- some of the new laminates are gorgeous. Make a trade and decide what is the most important to you. Having a granite countertop professionally installed will cost between $50 and $100 per square foot, depending on the features and complexity of the installation project, according to Countertops Key.

Read more: Cost of Granite Countertops Vs. Laminate | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/about_6298722_cost-granite-countertops-vs_-laminate.html#ixzz2MntuQ4mm

Granite is nice, but I don't know that you would get the money back on it in 5 years. A future homeowner is going to look at quality of the cabinets more than the counter tops. Make a list of wants and needs and then decide. New appliances vs keeping what you have etc. Are you handy at all? Demo yourself, save money etc. Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
3 months ago · ·
hazeldazel I agree with kklinton - ESPECIALLY since you yourself said you only plan to stay in the house for five years. That's a short time, really, to be dropping a lot of money if something's not seriously broken. So, make a list of what you'd LIKE vs. what you NEED. Do those white appliances NEED replacing or do you just not like the look? Could you get by with some pretty new hardware on the cupboards or do you really NEED new/refinished cupboards? Think about different countertops and keep in mind cost vs maintenance and other things like your home insurance "may" go up if you install granite (for example, my insurance asked me about whether I had it).

If your house was updated by flippers, you'll probably be discovering things that need to be fixed soon enough (especially if it's an older home) and your money may be going to those things first. Then you can go back to this project bit by bit, and change out the things you really hate as you can. The good news is that you have a really cute kitchen and nothing is super dire! You can take your time.
3 months ago · ·
Ariadni @kklinton - thank you so much for the advice and the images! I think you're right about the cabinets, they're kind of a big deal...buyers will most likely be OK with white appliances since those can be easily replaced. Not changing the appliances would save us a bit of money and white on white looks very crisp. I don't know why we didn't consider this before.

@ hazeldazel - Thank you. You're right...this is our first home and we're excited to make it our own- maybe we're a bit worked up! I think we may go with something like a Corian countertop. From what I have seen, it's priced reasonably. To be honest, we've lived with so many laminate countertops, I think we just dismiss them without even looking. Funny you mention flippers...there are other projects...

We appreciate all your tips! I think tonight there will be a good, long talk on what we feel must change and what we can work with. :)
3 months ago · ·
mckstacy Once upon a time, Corian & Silestone prices were pretty close to granite. I would seriously look at Formica brand, or another similar brand, counter surfacing. We had a built-in desk custom built not long ago - and chose a Formica top - that LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE GRANITE! I didn't want to worry about any liquids or spills on it (unlike wood) and didn't was the maintenance of granite. You get a lot of bang for your buck! Adding some nice hardware, a cool backsplash & wall color - and of course counter top resurfacing - may give you that updated look you want! White appliances are still "in", especially if they work! In 5 yrs. - you can decide if it's worth it to update the appliances when you sell. Good luck & have fun!
3 months ago · ·
chonnie Yes, the hardware you mentioned would be nice. As for the backsplash, I agree with you on the glass subway tile. It would be calmer. The stainless appliances would update the kitchen too.I just put in under-cabinet LED lights (Home Depot) and love them. They do not take up any space (very thin) and are very reasonable in price. The ones I have are one foot long and only 1/2 inch wide. Have fun!
3 months ago · ·
rinqreation I have seen cheap chipboard cabinets fall apart after 15 years or so, but never 5 (do they make this quality kitchens in europe too?) and deteriorating mdf never.. Is the myth true?
3 months ago ·
Marie Hebson's interiorsBYDESIGN Inc. Yes, stainless steel appliance, new paint, new light fixtures and new countertop!

I don't think you need to replace the backsplash - but, if your replacing the countertop - make the backsplash compliment both countertop and cabinetry colours.

I'd also add some moulding around that bulkhead - it's really ugly - if you don't want to add trim work to the bulkhead - then paint it out the wall colour behind it so it disappears and isn't highllghted the way it is now with that dark green.

What will be the secret to your success, is going with a simpler countertop and staying away from the traditional creamy buttery tones of granite - push it towards warm grays/darker browns, always nodding to your cabinetry and flooring colours especially in mosaic tiles and countertop choices. Your paint colours - push it towards warm grays - pick a granite or quartz that has some depth to it, maybe look at crema marfil mosaics for your backsplash (because I think it would go with your floors) - but - before we go too crazy here, I'd want you to find your countertop - post photos of that countertop so we can help you wish backsplash.

similar to the inspiration photos I found online - stick with linear lines - cleaner, simpler mosaic tile patterns, it'll push it more modern for you, but not too far that it feels weird with the more traditional colour of the cabinetry.

Don't forget the countertop will need to compliment your tile floor colour - keep us posted, and good luck with your project.
3 months ago · ·
Robbie Tatro My next house will have white appliances. You can buy so many top of the line white appliances. One thing about stainless steel is when I look at houses to buy different manufacturers have different stainless finishes. Resale needs to have a cohesive look so now I am stuck getting my stove to match my next dishwasher and frig. Sigh...
3 months ago · ·
Ariadni Here you can see what we think would work. White cabinets, shaker style...we found blue pearl granite on sale...and the soffit is now GONE. :) The white appliances will most likely stay. The backsplash will probably be glass, very simple or stainless steel would be fun, too.
3 months ago ·
jansin62 Look at what these people did to their kitchen - it's kind of similar to yours in the befores, and I it's adorable afterwards. In particular, notice they got rid of the soffits and moved the cabinets up and added open shelving. Maybe something like that would work...

http://www.domesticimperfection.com/2013/02/decked-out-kitchen-reveal/
2 months ago · ·
Ariadni @jansin62- in a way, I really don't like you for showing me that because now I'm not sure what to do! ;) That kitchen is so cute.
2 months ago ·
jansin62 Sorry, I didn't see that you had started already before I sent that!!!!
2 months ago ·
Rhonda Chen Interior Design Details I really like your choices, and the white Shaker doorstyle is very nice. Removing the soffit and the upper cabinets makes the room look so much better and more open. If you add some open shelving and a new open style hood and a couple of enclosed or glass horizontal cabinets, even in a white and keep the bottom cabinets, and a "counterdepth" refrigerator. I believe you should go with the stainless steel appliances (and if you can do a integrated door panel dishwasher); the beauty of stainless is that it reflects all the colors around it so it blends better with everything else going on in the room; although white appliance go perfect with white cabinets. Varying cabinet heights also give interest and dimension to the room.
2 months ago · ·
Olivia Instead of personalizing the space, think resale value and biggest bang for your buck for a five-year plan. Light golden oak is out. Stainless steel appliances and granite are definitely in. If the cabinets are wood, stain or paint them a dark rich neutral tone like Sherwin Williams Coffee Bean. Dark greys are in, too. You can save $$$ by painting yourself. The finish will last if you prep surfaces properly. Cleaning with tsp, sanding, priming and painting--two coats of glossy enamel or satin latex--will do the trick.

The existing backsplash will look fantastic with a contrasting cabinet color, so leave it. Get your bling instead from granite or quartz countertops and shiny stainless appliances. Put your money in a big deep double stainless undermount sink and the best stainless faucet you can afford. Finish off with stainless outlet plates, stainless door pulls, or polished bronze could work with a dark cabinet finish.

Pick up the red from those curtains with red accessories in the kitchen. Cuisinart has a fire engine red toaster. Pick up red accents in trendy hanging porcelain trivets hanging on the furr-down space above the cabinets.

Bottom line would be to pay attention to your bottom line. Don't over-improve your kitchen for your neighborhood. Recycle or re-use what you have, and enjoy the money you saved by not buying new cabinets, along with the money you save from your new Energy Star appliances, and think about how your kitchen will look to prospective buyers in five years.
2 months ago ·
pinksis Not sure whether you're still looking for comments, but for what it's worth, here is my two cents worth....
When I moved into my house 5 years ago (!), I hated almost everything about the kitchen...the cabinets (always preferred white), the black appliances and especially the black/mottled formica countertops. The space above the cabinets is open (no soffett) so I had a finish carpenter add crown moulding to the top of the cabinets and drilled holes for some simple black knobs for the drawers and doors. I got an estimate for granite for this small area and that shocked me back to reality as I had a limited budget and could put that money to better use in the other projects I wanted to do in the house. A new light fixture, a new faucet, paint colors that I like, sewed some valances and I was done. It has been totally ok with me after spending only about $250. Plus a little elbow grease and another $250. for a Crate and Barrel rolling island I scored on clearance.
The point is... 5 years goes by in a flash, and if you are only going to be there for that short time, IMHO... new cabinets and granite are a lot of $$ to spend for a house you already know is temporary. You could make a few moderate changes that make you happy and reassess whether you need to do something major like new cabinets once you assess the market and the comparable listings in your neighborhood at the time you are getting ready to relocate.
That said...I would definitely lose that back splash. I think they didn't make sure the pattern ran the same way when they installed it as it makes me dizzy to look at the pictures. Perhaps it doesn't do the same in person tho...

My kitchen is a bit of a mess today, but I snapped these pictures to show you what just a little bit of effort did to change my mind.
2 months ago ·
3144123456 I think you should try the stainless steel appliances first, change the wall color to a light cream color/beige , and add brush nickel cabinent handles. Then reasses the kitchen and see if it doesn't appeal more to you before you change the counters and rip out the backsplash. Also, the lightning in the family room should be changed to fit a more contemporary space.
2 months ago ·
3144123456 Never mind! I didn't see that you already ripped out the cabinets! Good luck with the project!
2 months ago ·
Rhonda Chen Interior Design Details Here's a really nice example on Houzz of open stainless steel shelving with white Shaker style doors.
2 months ago · ·
Ariadni Lots of differing opinions here. I appreciate it!

@Rhonda Chen- That is a lovely kitchen...so light and airy. Love the stainless steel shelving, too. I called our realtor as she sells many homes in this area and she said some homes have white cabinets, but that if we did go that route, we should get stainless steel appliances and make sure that the kitchen flows with any other changes we make to the home...in other words, stick with the same style. We've been told there are now more and more "Ikea type" kitchens in this area.

Are there good quality cabinets (that will easily last 5 years) for under $6k? The more I research and read reviews, the more I'm thinking I should just tough it out with the current cabinets. :( This is starting to get a little stressful.

@pinksis - I would have probably stuck with the cabinets you have as well. :) Are they wood? At least the door style is simple and won't clash with most decor. Our furniture is (mostly) mid century modern and it looks a little strange with these cabinets (which scream "country" to me). Our home is a bi-level (open floor plan) so when you see it all together it's a bit strange!
2 months ago · ·
Ariadni Well, here's the progress! The soffit is no more. Did the demo ourselves, but hired a contractor who came highly recommended for the rest.

As you can see, there's a copper vent pipe sticking out of the top of the wall, but we're thinking cabinets will cover that. We'll also be getting some quotes for refacing the cabinets and custom cabinets to get a good idea of what will be the best choice.

Worst case scenario, we stick with the current cabs and make it work one way or another.
2 months ago ·
pinksis Yes, wood. They look similar to yours in color, which is why I showed you a simple dress up that has me satisfied for now. Best to you with your project.....
2 months ago ·
Rhonda Chen Interior Design Details Yaaaa! No more soffit. Send me your kitchen dimensions and I can give you a cost on your white Shaker doorstyle cabinetry that is within your budget with a lifetime warranty vs 5 year. Email me at interiordesigndetails@gmail.com your floor plan.
2 months ago · ·
Ariadni Thanks, Rhonda! I went ahead and sent you an email. :)
2 months ago · ·
M Clancy Just came upon this discussion as my husband and I are first time homeowners and remodeling a kitchen that is about the same size. A while back we got a cabinet refacing quote for about $6K, which was ridiculous-- it seemed like such a scam! More recently we have gotten full cabinet replacement quotes from Lowes and Home Depot for around $6-7K (wood doors, plywood construction) for Shenandoah/American Woodwork . Krafmaid was almost double. We went to Ikea this past weekend to check out their kitchen options and were frankly pretty disappointed (despite our usual love of all things Ikea). All of the doors and drawers are laminate. Actually, the drawers inside are a combination of laminate and metal that looked cheap and not very durable. From the outside they look fine, but it's very easy to tell that they are Ikea. The cost of the Ikea cabinets was less, around $4K, but not significantly cheaper than Shenandoah/American Woodwork laminate and particle board construction. If you don't want to spend the $$$ for new cabinets, you might try painting them. Our kitchen has wood cabinets that have been pained, but I honestly would have never known they weren't originally white if not for a neighbor that has the exact same kitchen with the original cabinets. Whatever you do, I recommend doing as much research as possible and taking some time to plan. Even if you are just doing this for resale value, you are still going to have to look at it and cook in it for 5 years, so you might as well have something you like. If you go for brand new cabinets, are there any improvements in layout or organization that you can make? Good luck!
2 months ago ·
Ariadni @M Clancy - thanks for chiming in. We actually have a Shenandoah shaker style cabinet in the photos I posted above. It's what we were thinking about buying, but after reading some reviews and horror stories about poor customer service, yellowing of the white paint, and bowed or severely damaged cabinets, we started to doubt our choice.

Today we ventured out to Sutherland's and got a quote for maple wood cabinets, all wood and plywood construction. That would run us a bit over $5k for the cabinets..not including countertop, installation, tear out, etc. . . .

We still need to get some quotes for cabinet refacing, although what we have now is just a laminate sheet over some particle board. The doors and drawer fronts are wood, though.

We'll get some numbers, take our time and really think things through.
2 months ago ·
M Clancy Yes @Ariadni, I think that white shaker style is exactly what we have been considering. We have seen some of the poor reviews (and some of the good reviews) of Shenandoah and American Woodwork and it's been hard to figure out what will be best for our kitchen. American Woodwork and Shenandoah are made in the same factory but their reviews vary, which is even more confusing. However, the last house that we rented had Chinese made wood/plywood cabinets which are mostly derided as inferior, but we thought they were great. We actually asked our landlord about them as we were moving out because we liked them so much. We may get some quotes on them after being so disappointed in Ikea. It is really hard to decide. Hope all goes well with the remodel!
2 months ago ·
Lori I used Shenandoah cabinets in my last house and they were decent quality. We had a couple issues with wrong sizes, but Lowes handled it and got us the correct size by the time the remodel was finished. I think they were mfg. in Georgia facility. I have since moved into a house with Kraftmaid cabinets and they are a little thicker, but not that much. If you are going white though, you really need a better quality cabinet, real wood not particle board - I've read some horror stories about cheap white cabinets.
2 months ago · ·
jan74 You could lighten up the kitchen without resorting to white paint on the cabinets - by having a few of the upper cabinet doors replaced with glass (frosted or clear, whichever you prefer). The design of your doors is perfect to keep that outer bit wood, and have glass put in the middle.
2 months ago ·
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