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by Melodie
2 months ago in Design Dilemma
Help--Indecision has delayed my needed kitchen by 2 years!
I have made some key decisions re renovating our kitchen, but a few others have kept me stuck for 2 years. The current layout is very functional--great work triangle and lots of counter space. However, I have 3 dead corner cupboards, no pantry, and would like a built-in small wine fridge. One kitchen designer insists we get rid of the peninsula and have a long island instead. I like having the 3 separate counters, plus I am concerned that a long island will just emphasize the bowling alley from the back door to the powder room. I am leaning toward keeping the peninsula but pushing it back 18 inches and getting rid of the overhang (for the stools which are not used very often). This way the island could be made another 18" longer.
The second big dilemma is the flooring. We are going with a classic bone white cupboard and dark quartz counters. I want to change to a gas range with a stylish large hood. My favourite kitchen look is white cupboards and medium brown wood floors, but we have a pool and I don't want to worry about people dripping on the wood when they run to the bathroom. When we redo the kitchen floor, we will also do the mudroom, powder room and front entrance floors (all connected) in the same material. I haven't found any tiles that I like! (The rest of the house is medium brown oak flooring and my style is classic with a twist.)
My third dilemma is colour scheme. We used to have a blue and yellow kitchen/family room, which I loved. We switched to red and yellow, which coordinates with the decor in the rest of the main level, but I don't like is as well.
Any and all suggestions would be most appreciated! My husband would be most grateful if you could solve these dilemmas so we can actually move forward with the reno, as we have gaps in flooring in 3 places where we took down walls and have been waiting to decide on the kitchen flooring before we could redo the flooring in the other rooms.
Melodie--a huge Houzz fan!
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Ironwood Builders Melodie, Could you post a floor plan of the kitchen, mudroom and powder room? A change of flooring at the mudroom from wood to tile is practical...just need a stopping point. If the powder room is near the mudroom, creating a separation of these two parts form the main kitchen would solve a bit of the problem as to flooring. Look forward to seeing your floor plan!
2 months ago · ·
eagledzines As long as there is 3’ around the chairs in the dining room, pushing the peninsula back should work for you.

If you sketched something with dimensions, it would be easier to help you with the floor scheme.

I see two dead corners. One to the left of the sink and one to the right of the sink. Where is the other?

There is a ceramic tile that looks like wood and there are many colors and styles to choose from. Here is a medium colored wood look:

2 months ago ·
Carolyn Albert-Kincl Design I can certainly see the advantage of getting rid of the peninsula and building a long island instead. You wouldn't have to walk around the peninsula to get to the breakfast room (dining room?).

I love the print hanging to the right of the fireplace and would like to see it hung on the breakfast room wall, vertically. The colors are so great! Then I would remove the textile piece from the left of the fireplace. You'll need to find some more art with the red, yellow and blue colors to flank the fireplace. Look, please, for vertical pieces as 3 horizontals all lined up is not working well.

For your tile floor, if you must have tile, I suggest you start looking at 12 x 24" porcelain tiles and select one in a neutral color. But I'd actually prefer that you continue the wood flooring into the kitchen and place big doormats and towels at the door where people come in wet from the pool can use them before entering. Give dire warnings about wet feet! But, wood finishes today seem pretty tough and could probably survive nicely some abuse by wet children.
Carolyn Albert-Kincl, ASID
2 months ago · ·
kegofron To the right of the sink you can add a corner roll up cabinet like we have
2 months ago ·
Carolyn Albert-Kincl Design I should have mentioned that I think you'll like your color scheme better if you add some more blue to it.
2 months ago ·
Jayme Hobbs @Kefogron...I have the exact thing next to my sink...but it is so close, I have problems with water seeping.
2 months ago ·
Jayme Hobbs It is a very nice feature, but I think our is too close to our sink
2 months ago ·
Melodie I have posted the original builder's plan of the main floor as requested by @Ironwood Builders & @eagledzines,so you can see the layout of the kitchen and adjoining rooms. Note we took the wall down between the kitchen and original dining room and made that our family room. (We did the same between the living room and former family room.) I am also attaching a sketch with dimensions of the existing kitchen footprint. I hope this helps people give us great suggestions re a layout and flooring for our new kitchen!

I have considered wood-look tiles, as suggested by @eagledzines, but I was concerned that they would not look good right up against the real hardwood floors. What do you think?

Thanks again for your advice! It is much appreciated!
2 months ago · ·
Melodie One more thing. We will remove the overhead cupboard (above the peninsula). What colour should we paint the table legs and chairs if we keep the red and yellow colour scheme? Could I introduce a fabric valence above the blinds to add more colour and pattern?
2 months ago ·
Carolyn Albert-Kincl Design I would not add valances above the blinds. I can't tell what color the table legs are now. If they are stained wood, then I would not change them.

Tile that looks like wood should not be used adjacent to real wood. You'll see the difference. If it's in a different location, it's fine to use.

I liked Ironwood's suggestion of using tile in the mudroom, laundry, powder room area to avoid wet feet on hardwood flooring. If there is currently no entrance from the pool into the garage and the powder room area, then I think you should consider adding one unless it's way out of the way to come there from the pool. We don't know where your pool is located.
2 months ago ·
Melodie The pool is right behind the kitchen table. The long hall visible in the photos goes straight from the back deck/pool area to the powder room, so there is no way to avoid the kitchen floor to access the bathroom. The table and chairs are currently a mid brown wood tone and Pratt & Lambert's "Spanish Blue" from the days the kitchen was blue and yellow.
2 months ago ·
Lkristine Keep whatever layout has been working for you. If you don't like some of the ideas they give you, TELL THEM!!!!!! If you like your peninsula, keep it!!!! Here are some flooring/ countertop/backsplash ideas. If the backsplash is to busy for you, consider a glass green in a solid color. Porcelain "wood" option.. http://www.homedepot.com/p/t/203055581?productId=203055581&storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&cpncode=31-92532404-2&srccode=cii_35912516&cm_mmc=shopping-_-pricegrabber-_-D23X-_-203055581#.UT1EJRkZxaV Backsplash option.... http://www.aubreyflooring.com/tiles/38027/Glass+Tiles/Anatolia+Glass+Tile/Bliss+Glass+Tile/Bliss+Glass+Tile+Blend+Linear+Mosaic+5%252F8%2522+X+Random+-+Creme+Brulee Countertop option, in the nutmeg color........ http://www.granitecountertopsfabricator.com/zodiaq.htm
2 months ago ·
pgeis I have lived with real wood floors in two different kitchens for many years -- four kids grew up on those floors. No problems! Wood floors have a reputation left over from years ago before polyurethane finishes. Today they are easy to care for, comfortable to walk on with bare feet, and forgiving when people and plates fall.

Daily care in the kitchen is just sweeping and wiping up the spills -- like any other floor. When you think it looks dirty enough to bug you, mop with one of the products designed for wood floors. Now and then, spruce up the shine by applying one of the products sold for that purpose -- my current favorite is made by MinWax. Really, no harder to live with in the kitchen than vinyl -- and much more durable. More forgiving than tile.

To protect both swimmers and floor between the pool and bathroom, consider a non-skid runner in whatever style and colors you love.
2 months ago · ·
Lkristine And here is an image with the colorings from above....
2 months ago ·
Carolyn Albert-Kincl Design I suggest you find a tablecloth that has red,yellow and blue in it. Then keep repeating all three color in the kitchen and family room.

Without access to the powder room from the pool, except through the kitchen, I'd tough it out and put hardwood flooring in the kitchen anyway and be firm with the kids about no dripping on the floor. If that seems impossible, then look at 12 x 24" porcelain tile.
2 months ago ·
donnag631 Like you, I have a pool, and from the pool, access to the mudroom and bathroom is through the kitchen. Both the mudroom and bathroom floors were tiled and it was a nightmare. In January we ripped out that tile and replaced with hardwoods. The hardwoods in the kitchen held up well to the wet kids, but the German Shepherd's nails, not so much. In the mudroom, the tile was fine, but that grout was impossible to keep clean. So happy to say goodbye to that mess.
2 months ago ·
libradesigneye My view: I kept a peninsula, but I think with this layout you should go for the longer island. You already have a bowling alley with the little island, so that worry would remain either way. This way you can actually prep while being with your family and serve a buffett where the traffic flows. You can move the dishwasher onto the back wall and still get that extra 18" but it will be more functional. Let the kitchen designer help you and you won't be sorry.

Adding red should have been an exercise in adding one fabric that had blue and yellow and a bit of red to tie these back to another area, not taking over your color scheme. Go back to blue and yellow, period and keep the chairs. Recover the couch, select 10 -14 blue and yellow and white things with one or two fabrics that have red too. Keep one piece of art with but change the rest.

Flooring, go hardwood and you won't be sorry. Options for secondary areas that will help the budget but be high end enough would be cork. People who have it say they love it.
2 months ago ·
eagledzines Dilemma 1:
Thank you for posting the layout pictures. That’s very helpful. Pushing the counter 18” will give you the 18” needed for the wine cooler. Is that what you were thinking—along with the extra counter space? That’s a good idea.

I agree with you about not making the island. They are fashionable now but with the space you have, the peninsula seems practical and forces traffic to go around the work area instead of into it. However, that won’t fix the problem of the dead corner spaces. Instead of removing them maybe it would work better for you to incorporate a better way to use them. The appliance below pulls everyone out within reach. The one in the picture has a light installed on the cabinet door so that when the door opens the light comes on. That’s cool. These appliances come in left or right-handed corners.

Another option for the corner on the peninsula end, since you would be taking out the overhang, is to face the corner cabinet toward the dining room and use it for other purposes, unless you felt you couldn’t spare the cabinet in the kitchen.

Unless you really need more drawer space, I would recommend not doing the drawers in the corner. They fit the bill when that is the case but otherwise they are a waste of space. Think of it as a rectangular cabinet that sits on a diagonal within a corner cabinet. The space on either side is wasted.

Dilemma 2:
As pgeis stated, the polyurethanes of today are much more durable than the finishes that used to be used. The real killer of wood floors is sand and dirt. Have them resealed occasionally and they will be fine. When they start to scratch up and the wood underneath is not protected anymore is when they are vulnerable to damage. So if you decided to put wood in the dining room and kitchen, hallway and entry, what would you think of tile in the mudroom and powder room? I would suggest not butting a simulated wood ceramic with a natural wood floor. If you decide to go with tile in the kitchen, the hunt is on for the right tile that would go with the countertops for starters. Since you know you want dark quartz countertops then that is a given that you can work with. If you pick out the exact countertop, that will make your tile choice easier.

Dilemma 3:
Color choices for accessories, drapes, chairs, valances and other, should follow color choice in countertops and flooring. Let us know the choices you make in countertop and flooring and other recommendations can follow.



2 months ago · ·
eagledzines I do see your third corner cabinet you mentioned. It’s the wall cabinet. You could put an easy-reach cabinet there. Instead of a 24” cabinet to the right of the stove you would have a 12” and then the easy reach cabinet in the corner. I wouldn’t put a 24” corner angle cabinet there because it’s too tight in that corner.

If you were to move the peninsula down the 18” that would also give you some comfort space from the sink to the dishwasher. It’s difficult to tell in the picture how close to the corner that it is but it looks like it might be possible to move it away from the corner, to the left, to give you more room there as well.

You might consider adding another cabinet, counter to top of wall cabinets on the wall to the left of the sink to replace at least some of the cabinet space lost in removing the cabinets hung from the ceiling. Also, it looks like there is under-cabinet lighting there that you might want to replace with drop lights.


2 months ago · ·
pgeis The photo eagledzines posted is beautiful, but I think it's hard to appreciate how wonderful those "Dream Magic" type corner cabinets really are from just a photo. I saw one installed in a model kitchen at my local Lowes and instantly wanted one. Pricier than the "Easy Reach" type in the sketch, but I thought it would make me smile every time I used it! (But I am not having any corners, after all.)
2 months ago ·
Melodie Thanks to everyone for their comments so far. Please keep your suggestions coming! I still need to figure out how to include a pantry. I am posting a diagram of a suggested layout from a contractor that gets rid of the peninsula and gives us a pantry. What do people think of this compared to the current layout? Will the fridge look too big and bulky next to the table? Does the hall from the back door to the powder room look even more like a bowling alley without the peninsula?
2 months ago · ·
Carolyn Albert-Kincl Design Regarding a pantry, could the under the staircase area be made accessible from the kitchen side to become your pantry?
2 months ago ·
Melodie My husband was wondering the same thing. Can this be determined without cutting a huge hole in the wall?
2 months ago ·
Melodie @Lkristine thanks for the suggestions and especially the image! What software did you use to produce the image? I like your suggestions, but I don't think green will work with the current colour scheme (red and yellow) or the former (blue and yellow).
2 months ago ·
revss If you LOVE blue and yellow, why not stick with that? Any reason you must keep red?
2 months ago · ·
pgeis Before cutting holes in the wall, look carefully at your floor plans and try to figure out where there might be empty space. Then do a lot of walking back and forth, looking at the stairs from all angles, including on both levels, to see what you can figure out. Once you think you have a pretty good idea, ask your contractor if you can borrow his camera so you can look inside through a small hole instead of cutting a huge one. Sheet rock is really not that hard to patch. A small hand-saw designed to cut holes in sheet rock is probably not much more than $10. Use a stud-finder to be sure you don't cut into the studs or any electric or water lines.
2 months ago ·
Melodie I switched to red and yellow so to have a uniform colour scheme throughout the main level. The front hall (from which the family room is visible--see plan) is a bright yellow and the living and dining rooms are red with accents of gold and sage. I would love to hear what the experts think about having a totally different colour scheme in the kitchen/family room, when these rooms can be seen from the others and the main level is not huge (the entire 2-storey house is about 2200 square feet). Thanks!
2 months ago ·
Carolyn Albert-Kincl Design It's not totally different to have blue and yellow and certainly, red, yellow, and blue work wonderfully together.

Is the under the staircase not accessible from the living room area? If it's not then it may well be just unused space, waiting like buried treasure, for you to discover and use as your pantry! Whooppy!
2 months ago ·
Melodie @Carolyn Albert-Kincl Design, no, under the stairs is not accessible from the front hall; there is a strange sort of half-wall there.
2 months ago ·
pgeis You are smart think about how all the visible rooms will look when viewing them together, but that doesn't have to mean uniform. If the particular colors look good together, why not? I can imagine a blue and yellow kitchen that would look smashing with the red and yellow in the other rooms. The key thing is to paint test boards in a variety of blues and yellows, prop them up in the kitchen, and look at them standing in the other rooms. I hope you can find a way to have the colors you love surround you in the rooms you spend the most time in!
2 months ago · ·
Carolyn Albert-Kincl Design Can you show us a picture of the strange half wall? We all like digging for buried treasure!
2 months ago ·
Melodie Here is a photo of the wall by the stairs. We pushed it back as far as we could (so that we could have trim go all the way around the powder room door. The front hall and family room now have hardwood flooring, starting at the newel post, but the ugly tile remains from the newel post to the front door, awaiting (perhaps needlessly given the comments I have received!) the kitchen flooring decision.
2 months ago ·
Carolyn Albert-Kincl Design How about the other view of the steps? It may be time to cut that little hole in the wall as suggested by pgeis, or ask a contractor over to take a look.
2 months ago ·
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